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Also the JetAudio iAudio G3. A little bit more expensive than Creative's, but seems to have better sound quality and battery life (IIRC, 53 hours on a AAA). I almost got it over the U2 (comparable, but with a built-in li-ion battery that has 20 hours per charge), but I'm shallow and it's not quite as cool (the U2 is half the G3's size and is able to connect directly to a USB port without a cable - and its battery can charge from the USB port, so no cables required), and Amazon happens to have the U2 cheaper atm...
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Yeah, I could do with something like that at some point in the future...Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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This is what I'm talking about (they also have a 1 GB model for about $100 less):
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Now something like that would be really handy, but I will wait as I do not need it urgently...Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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I'm travelling to Germany over the Summer, so I figured that this'd be a good time as any to buy one..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Man, I recommend the Zen Micro or the iRiver H10, and from what i understand the iriver is the better of the two. The MAIN REASON you don't want an ipod is that you have to use iTunes. The zen and the iRiver both work like hard drives. You plug them in and drag and drop!"Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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So you couldn't just plug in an iPod and copy from your computer to the device? That would be crap...Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda SmithComment
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As far as I know you can't unless you manage to find a hack to allow it (and from a thread some time ago, it said Apple issued a patch that made on of those hacks impossible to use)Originally posted by Provost Harrison
So you couldn't just plug in an iPod and copy from your computer to the device? That would be crap...
I don't know anyone who actually has an ipod so I don't know if it's true or notThis space is empty... or is it?Comment
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They're both great products, but the iPod mini was 80$ cheaper than the Zen Micro. And the iRivers are expensive.Man, I recommend the Zen Micro or the iRiver H10, and from what i understand the iriver is the better of the two.
You mean iTunes the music store or the software? I don't care about music stores. I still plan to buy cds. The software isn't bad. I've been playing with iTunes for two weeks now. No complaints so far.The MAIN REASON you don't want an ipod is that you have to use iTunes.
Dito for the iPod. Otoh, a lot of reviewers complained that you have to install a driver on a PC in order to use a zen as an hard drive. No such problem with the iPod. You just plug it in.The zen and the iRiver both work like hard drives. You plug them in and drag and drop!Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – LessingComment
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nostromo: nope, when i say drag and drop, you don't need any drivers or software (like iTunes) which is my main gripe with the ipod. Plus, both of those devices support more formats than the ipod, so no conversion is necessary, AND you can store other types of files on them if you want to transfer such a file from one computer to another (like movies or even school work)"Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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Well, according to Tom's hardware review of the Micro:
Btw, I'm not saying this to diss the Micro. Its a great player.Creative does seem to have a lot of trouble making its audio players truly nomadic. For example, synching the Zen Micro with your PC first requires installation of a driver. Wouldn't a simple drag-drop program without the need for prior installation of a driver or software be the best solution?
Like Apple, Creative has made its player Outlook-compatible and provided a removable-disk function. But in order to store data, the user must first use the player's "Extras" menu to partition part of the Zen Micro's 5-GB capacity exclusively for storage. Then the user must turn on the player, connect it to the computer, and configure it as a "Removable Disk." Otherwise, the PC won't detect the Zen as a possible storage medium, even though it locates it with no problem for synchronization. Indeed, saving a few files to the Zen Micro is far from being a no-brainer.
I haven't tried storing files on my iPod: I have no use for it. But Afaik, you only need iTunes to turn on the iPod-as-a-hd option. Once this is done, your can use Windows explorer to drag and drop files on your iPod. And afaik, you can store any kind of files on it.Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – LessingComment
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Still itunes will convert the music for you most of the time... Itunes is what i was using to handle my music in the first placeOriginally posted by Kaak
nostromo: nope, when i say drag and drop, you don't need any drivers or software (like iTunes) which is my main gripe with the ipod. Plus, both of those devices support more formats than the ipod, so no conversion is necessary, AND you can store other types of files on them if you want to transfer such a file from one computer to another (like movies or even school work)
(as do most of my non-ipod friends)
And about the movie and schoolwork thing, the ipod can also store all kinds of stuff if you want it to no difference there, and you don't need to use itunes to put it on there either.No Fighting here, this is the war room!Comment
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Don't listen to these know nothing dumbasses.
I wish I had a dollar for every time I've had to post this: you don't have to use itunes if you don't want to.
A quick visit to ipodlounge.com will provide you with links to all the most popular itunes replacements. I believe Imran uses one of these, so it is best to get his advice.
And drag and dropping stuff to an ipod goes against the whole point of the device - which is that it's supposed to keep all your music on it so you don't spend hours dragging and dropping stuff. What kind of idiot buys a 20 gig player and then drags and drops. If you have more than that amount of music, use smart playlists to fill the thing.
It's funny how manufacturers try to find ways to get around the limitations of traditional file management with respect to music collections, yet some apes still insist on dragging and dropping. 
Only feebs vote.Comment
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You don't think it's user friendly to have a device icon on your system, then when you drag a music file there it'll add it to the device library?
That's pretty cool to me.
Or Right Click on it, Send To -> Creative Nomad Zen...
Why do you need to open up a program like iTunes to do it anyway? If you're just moving a file around, why doesn't a "file manager" work?
I wouldn't exclude you from the group of "know-nothing dumbasses", Aggie.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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A quick visit to ipodlounge.com will provide you with links to all the most popular itunes replacements. I believe Imran uses one of these, so it is best to get his advice.
Yeah, I got ephPod as well as iTunes. It's a pretty good program, IMO. Though iTunes is the only way to get access to the Store (obviously).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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