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  • Tough ethical question

    I recently came up with this question and I am undecided on how to judge.

    Okay assume the hypothetical scenario that an evil force carried out lots of medical experiments on a group of people: the victims. Ofc, mostly died under these conditions or still carry severe disabilities and ofc the victims were forced to the experiments.

    After several months/years of torture the evil people came up with a new medicine that could cure a widespread, severe and painful lethal illness (AIDS, cancer, or maybe something affecting half of the population...).

    So after they found the cure, your forces moved in, killed all the evil guys and rescued the remaining victims. They also retrieved the documents regarding the medicine and now you don't know what to do with them. All the evil guys are dead but still the value of these documents is pretty clear without understanding it.

    Use, Give away or Destroy are the options you have, if you store them somewhere and never look at them, that's like destroying, if you store them somewhere and look at them at some time in the future that's the same as using (even after another cure has been found and you just want to compare results).

    You have to decide if you should keep the research and profit from the evilness of someone elses terror, getting your hands involved in their evilness for yourself and in turn victimize the evil guys, who would be perceived as having sacrificed themselves upon trying to find a cure that would heal more people than would suffer.
    Wether you should destroy the cure and lose a precious moment to relieve the world of a great burden for several years to come. Since a cure exists it will be found at some time in the future.
    Or to not being able to handle it and give away the document of power, but to home?

    To further the difficulty of the descision in the scenario you can assume two positions by the remaining victims: a.) they want the documents burned or b.) they want to create a big corporation out of the documents and sell the medicine for exorbitant prices to the social upperclass only
    or a mixture of a.) and b.) equally distributed among the victims

    What would be the most ethical thing to do in this case? What if there are no victim survivors and the information has been obtained after the last victim died?

    Would your judgment change wether the victims being tortured and killed is unified and has a common ideology or is loosely affiliated so that the remaining victims could possibly not judge for those who died?


    My argumentation would be a kind of purifying approach and in any case taking any rights the victims would want to hold. I'd say use
    Ofc, I'd want to aid mankind with it creating a non-profit organizations, but let's just assume there aren't enough resources for this and in the end someone always profits.

    Final note: please keep any real-world associations for yourself!


    edit: a moderator please make a poll out of this? (add a banana option as well)

  • #2
    USE

    If a cure for cancer is found, you use it regardless of how it was obtained
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    • #3
      Re: Tough ethical question

      Originally posted by Atahualpa
      edit: a moderator please make a poll out of this? (add a banana option as well)
      We can't add a poll after the fact... if you really want a poll, start a new thread... Cut and paste... REMEMBER to add a poll this time... and I will delete the old thread when I see the new one. Best we can offer.
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      • #4
        Give Away and/or Use... I'm too lazy to do anything myself, and if you give it away more ppl will be working on it (i.e. human genome).
        Monkey!!!

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        • #5
          I'ld give it away to Japher.
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          • #6
            I would destroy it and then tell people I gave it away to Japher.
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            • #7
              Oooh, very nice Ingrid

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              • #8
                It should be used of course, and if a profit is made it should go to the survivors and family of those who didn't make it, but was also a test-dummy
                This space is empty... or is it?

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                • #9
                  Definitely use. The evil has been done. The victims have been tortured and killed. The cure has been found. Neither can be undone. If I use the cure, I give the world something positive and make it a better place. Maybe some people would say then that the evil guys weren't that evil (I disagree, I wouldn't agree with such methods no matter what). But that isn't a big problem, let them think so. Oh, give the remaining living victims enough money from the profits so that they can spend their remaining lives very well.
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                  • #10
                    if there are victims still around, why not ask THEM what they think should be done? Shouldnt they OWN the results - not just in terms of monetary benefits, but in terms of decision making?

                    edit: your scenario of factions etc doesnt really matter. Its still up to the victims, in some fashion. No more right to take it away cause you dont like their decision than for someone to enslave YOU to make a cure.


                    I HOPE youre not using this hypothetical as cover for a
                    the real question of research by Nazis on their victims.

                    Edit:your request to avoid real world associations is silly. There IS NO veil of ignorance. Better to deal with the real world ethical dilemma as we find it, than to pretend to an abstract objectivity.
                    Last edited by lord of the mark; April 4, 2005, 15:50.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Tough ethical question

                      absolutely use it. We did this with nazi research.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lord of the mark
                        if there are victims still around, why not ask THEM what they think should be done? Shouldnt they OWN the results - not just in terms of monetary benefits, but in terms of decision making?
                        Because they might say don't use, or otherwise cause other problems with the use for their own benefit.
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                        • #13
                          And indeed, the same was done to Nazi research. It's only proper and logical. At least some advances in medicine were brought by. That doesn't provide an excuse for Nazi actions, but there's no point leaving that research unused either.
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                          • #14
                            Use.

                            The victims should be compensated, but not above being "made whole" (inasmuch as that is possible). The research should be released into the public domain, but if there is profit by sales of the drug, I would pocket it as spoils of war.

                            Edit: I would even say that the spoils of war could extend to other areas besides drugs. I fully supported our plundering of NAZI know-how on rocketry, for instance, even though slave labor was used to make V2 rockets that were used as terror weapons against civilians in the UK.
                            Last edited by DanS; April 4, 2005, 17:32.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kidicious


                              Because they might say don't use, or otherwise cause other problems with the use for their own benefit.
                              so their rights be should be less than that of say, Eli Lilly?
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