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  • When We Clone a Tyrannosaurus, Can We Feed it Creationists?

    (Reprinted from an article originally posted by Dr. Doom at another Forum)

    NC State Paleontologist Discovers Soft Tissue In Dinosaur Bones
    Conventional wisdom among paleontologists states that when dinosaurs died and became fossilized, soft tissues didn’t preserve – the bones were essentially transformed into “rocks” through a gradual replacement of all organic material by minerals. New research by a North Carolina State University paleontologist, however, could literally turn that theory inside out.


    Dr. Mary Schweitzer, assistant professor of paleontology with a joint appointment at the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences, has succeeded in isolating soft tissue from the femur of a 68-million-year-old dinosaur. Not only is the tissue largely intact, it’s still transparent and pliable, and microscopic interior structures resembling blood vessels and even cells are still present.

    In a paper published in the March 25 edition of the journal Science, Schweitzer describes the process by which she and her technician, Jennifer Wittmeyer, isolated soft organic tissue from the leg bone of a 68-million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex.

    Schweitzer was interested in studying the microstructure and organic components of a dinosaur’s bone. All bone is made up of a combination of protein (and other organic molecules) and minerals. In modern bone, removing the minerals leaves supple, soft organic materials that are much easier to work with in a lab. In contrast, fossilized bone is believed to be completely mineralized, meaning no organics are present. Attempting to dissolve the minerals from a piece of fossilized bone, so the theory goes, would merely dissolve the entire fossil.

    But the team was surprised by what actually happened when they removed the minerals from the T. rex femur fragment. The removal process left behind stretchy bone matrix material that, when examined microscopically, seemed to show blood vessels, osteocytes, or bone building cells, and other recognizable organic features.

    Since current data indicates that living birds are more closely related to dinosaurs than any other group, Schweitzer compared the findings from the T. rex with structures found in modern-day ostriches. In both samples, transparent branching blood vessels were present, and many of the small microstructures present in the T. rex sample displayed the same appearance as the blood and bone cells from the ostrich sample.

    Schweitzer then duplicated her findings with at least three other well-preserved dinosaur specimens, one 80-million-year-old hadrosaur and two 65-million-year-old tyrannosaurs. All of these specimens preserved vessels, cell-like structures, or flexible matrix that resembled bone collagen from modern specimens.

    Current theories about fossil preservation hold that organic molecules should not preserve beyond 100,000 years. Schweitzer hopes that further research will reveal exactly what the soft structures isolated from these bones are made of. Do they consist of the original cells, and if so, do the cells still contain genetic information? Her early studies of the material suggest that at least some fragments of the dinosaurs’ original molecular material may still be present.

    “We may not really know as much about how fossils are preserved as we think,” says Schweitzer. “Our preliminary research shows that antibodies that recognize collagen react to chemical extracts of this fossil bone. If further studies confirm this, we may have the potential to learn more not only about the dinosaurs themselves, but also about how and why they were preserved in the first place.”

    The research was funded by NC State, the N.C. Museum of Natural Sciences and the National Science Foundation.

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    Caption: These undated photos provided by the journal Science show demineralized fragments of tissues lining the marrow cavity of a Tyrannosaurus Rex femur. Photograph A shows the demineralized fragment is flexible and resilient and when stretched (arrow) returns to its original shape. Photograph B shows the demineralized bone in (A) after air drying. The overall structure and functional characteristics remain after dehydration. Photograph C shows regions of demineralized bone showing fibrous character (arrows). These characteristics are not normally seen in fossil bone. Scientists who had to break a dinosaur bone to remove it from its sandstone location say they have recovered 70-million-year-old soft tissues from inside the bone. The find included what appear to be blood vessels, and possibly even cells, from a Tyrannosaurus Rex. (AP Photo/Science)
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    • #3
      Mmmmm, 68 million year old T-rex jerky.
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      • #4
        It seems like this isn't hte first time organic material has been recovered from partially fossilized remains. It seems like recovering whole DNA might be to much to ask though.

        Protein recovered from dinosaur eggs

        * 19 March 2005

        TRACES of protein have survived for more than 70 million years in dinosaur eggs from Argentina. They bear strong similarities to proteins from chicken eggs.

        The Anacleto formation, in Auca Mahuevo in Patagonia, is famous for its spectacular preservation. The eggs were laid by massive long-necked plant-eaters called titanosaurs. Buried by floods, the eggs fossilised unusually fast, preserving the soft tissues and tiny bones within.

        Mary Schweitzer at North Carolina State University in Raleigh injected rabbits with protein from either bird or dinosaur eggshells, collected the antibodies produced and tested whether they stuck to the other type of egg protein. Both types of antibody reacted to both proteins, indicating that they were similar (Proceedings of the Royal Society B, DOI: 10.1098/rspb.2004.2876).

        Schweitzer now hopes to work out the sequence of amino acids in the ancient proteins.
        From issue 2491 of New Scientist magazine, 19 March 2005, page 18
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          Link to BBC article.

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          • #6
            Interesting stuff

            I seem to remember some scientists trying the same kind of things with wooly mammouth remains from russia or china. They had found loads of 'fresh' remains to take samples from, but i think they failed to find a single bit of surviving DNA.

            Maybe God is just playing with us?
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            • #7
              So cool.

              I'm all in favour of the creationists suggestion. Weren't they the ones who said that God planted the bones to test the faithful?
              Only feebs vote.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by child of Thor
                Interesting stuff

                I seem to remember some scientists trying the same kind of things with wooly mammouth remains from russia or china. They had found loads of 'fresh' remains to take samples from, but i think they failed to find a single bit of surviving DNA.

                Maybe God is just playing with us?
                There is loads of DNA remaining of mammoths and sabre toothed cats, etc. The problem is finding whole DNA strands which are in good enough shape to clone.
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                • #9
                  If we find out the T. Rex can't be millions of years old can we feed it evolutionists?
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                  • #10
                    Sure. It won't happen but sure.
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                    • #11
                      Didn't stefu already post this a week ago or so?
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #12
                        Hmm, I didn't see it. Linkie?
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                        • #13
                          Old news

                          EDIT: and the answer is, hell yes.

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                          • #14
                            No we CANNOT feed creationists to dinosaurs.

                            Either way, it's cruelty to dumb animals.
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                            • #15
                              If we can't find whole DNA we could simply fill in the gaps with frog DNA
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