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  • A simple reason why Bush's SS plan is stupid

    Now, unless I'm missing something this is how things stand:

    1. $s that are currently going to support people on SS are diverted into government-supervised private acount thingies.

    2. Since that money is now going into private acount thingies instead of supporting people on SS there's going to be a huge-ass shortfall.

    3. To cover the shortfall, the government prints huge stacks of treasury bonds and sells them to investors.

    4. The private accounts then make a ****-load of money, since stocks have a higher return than treasury bonds and all this money makes everything happy and wonderful.

    So basically the whole thing is based on the premise that stocks are a better investment than government bonds (the current content of the SS trust fund) and that by having SS taxes go into buying stocks everyone's going to make a ****-load of money, right? So basically the government is gambling that stocks will have a significantly higher future return than treasury bonds? Or am I missing something?

    But in order to make this whole thing work you need someone to buy all those HUGE stacks of treasury bonds that will be needed to fund the SS checks of the current retirees while the money that's going to them now is diverted into private account thingies. These are the very same treasury bonds that are apparently a crap investment.

    So, in short, for Bush's SS plan to work you have the smart government buying the high yield stocks and the stupid private investors buying the low yield government bonds. The whole plan doesn't make any sense unless it assumes that the government is a smarter invester than private investors who'll need to buy ****-loads of treasury bonds in order to fund the whole thing.

    WTF! Isn't that kind of thinking supposed to be punishable by death by republicans or something?
    Stop Quoting Ben

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    Not if its a scam, Dave.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by chegitz guevara
      Not if its a scam, Dave.
      So how would it be different from the system we have now then?
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      • #4
        It's not a scam. it's a good plan for smart people such as myself, while stupid people lose all their money in the stock market on stupid stock picks.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          So how would it be different from the system we have now then?
          But Bush can't be THAT stupid? Can he? To me his plan looks just surreally stupid, is there something I'm missing?
          Stop Quoting Ben

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dissident
            It's not a scam. it's a good plan for smart people such as myself, while stupid people lose all their money in the stock market on stupid stock picks.
            But then who buys all the treasury bonds that would be necessary to fund your stock picks?
            Stop Quoting Ben

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              So how would it be different from the system we have now then?
              The current system works and isn't a scam.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                The current system works and isn't a scam.
                I have a bridge in New York to sell you.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Boshko

                  But then who buys all the treasury bonds that would be necessary to fund your stock picks?
                  The Chinese, obviously.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Boshko

                    But then who buys all the treasury bonds that would be necessary to fund your stock picks?
                    errr, perhaps I'm misunderstanding how this works. I thought we'd be using our social security money for this, not goverment money.

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                    • #11
                      i think the biggest problem is it cost 1 trillion more dollars than SS simply running out.
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                      • #12
                        Personally, I'd cut benefits and raise the retirement age.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dissident


                          errr, perhaps I'm misunderstanding how this works. I thought we'd be using our social security money for this, not goverment money.
                          Where do you think your Social Security money is going now? Into a big hole where the government keeps it until you get it back? Right now its going to pay for the SS checks of someone's grandmother. If you buy stocks with it instead then the government has the cover the shortfall by printing a **** load of bonds. To in a manner of speaking, the government in financing your stock-buying by printing treasury bonds.

                          Who the hell is going to buy these bonds? I think the Chinese are losing patience with this game, there've been making sounds about diversifying their foreign currency reserves and making the Yuan pegged to a basket of currencies instead of a dollar.
                          Stop Quoting Ben

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            Personally, I'd cut benefits and raise the retirement age.
                            then I'll stop paying into social security (if I could, but the goverment forces me to pay ). I'll be lucky to live to 65. The goverment is just stealing my money.

                            It's a ****ing ponzi scheme. yeah, yeah- I know that's not true. It won't be bad once we get these baby boomers out of the way. They screwed everything up. . If only we could eliminate them somehow.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dissident
                              It's a ****ing ponzi scheme.
                              Duh.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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