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  • #31
    The question is can a worker owned company make those same hard decisions (i.e. layoffs and downsizing) if required?


    Yes, actually, or it can decide, alternatively, to cut wages. I don't see why not, really. If they have no cash, none of them will survive.

    The tribe has spoken.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Azazel
      The question is can a worker owned company make those same hard decisions (i.e. layoffs and downsizing) if required?


      Yes, actually, or it can decide, alternatively, to cut wages. I don't see why not, really. If they have no cash, none of them will survive.

      The tribe has spoken.
      Interesting that you chose to use the survivor tag line. We know unfortunately how that is a relatively accurate depiction of the worst in people and how group dynamics break down into a "screw the other guy over first and watch your back fest."
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      • #33
        That's the same with regular corporations as well.
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #34
          Its just in regular corps you get to blame teh man and move on, while in worker owned corps you get to hold grudges against your compatriots.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Azazel
            erm, Saras, when only a small number of employees are owners, this doesn't really amount to anything. This is the case in most small to medium bussinesses.
            In most law firms, the employee/owners are definetly a majority of the firm.

            Oh, and I think John's point is an important one. The union owns the company, not the employees individually. That means that if they leave the job, they don't get to keep that share of the company. It is owned by the collective.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


              In most law firms, the employee/owners are definetly a majority of the firm.

              err thats not right. In most firms I see, there is usually a partner to associate ratio of about 1 to 1 ( and in some departments you can see several associates per partner) and then there is all the support staff. I don't know of ANY firm where the partners make up 50%+ of the people working there.
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              • #37
                Its just in regular corps you get to blame teh man and move on, while in worker owned corps you get to hold grudges against your compatriots.


                Just the same! You can hold grudges, or leave... nothing differs.
                urgh.NSFW

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                  In most law firms, the employee/owners are definetly a majority of the firm.
                  Wha? That's not even close to being true. Unless you mean that there's lots of one and two man operations out there.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kontiki


                    Wha? That's not even close to being true. Unless you mean that there's lots of one and two man operations out there.
                    Even the one and two man operations out there will generally have as many or more non-owner support folks as there are lawyers. In fact I find that most of the successful smaller shops have more support staff per lawyer than the large firms ( they can't utilize economies of scale and more typical small firm work like real estate, family and criminal can require a lot more support than the typical corporate practice.)
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                    • #40
                      Something bothers me. The union previously represented the workers but now the union owns the company and is responsible for the bottom line. Does anyone else see a problem there?
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                      • #41
                        Often a bad idea because the worker's pension fund buys the company and now if the company goes under, the worker loses job and pension.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kidicious
                          Something bothers me. The union previously represented the workers but now the union owns the company and is responsible for the bottom line. Does anyone else see a problem there?
                          It depends on wether the union as a whole owns it or the local owns it. I doubt the local could come up with the money, but regardless, the workers have a lot more say in their workplace now than they did before.
                          Last edited by chequita guevara; March 31, 2005, 21:49.
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                          • #43
                            What would you know about working?

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                            • #44
                              I think I have memories of it.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                              • #45
                                Eat some more Heartland food...

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