Schiavo Thread Part the Third

[chequita guevara]

The court found that such evidence existed.

[Ned]

Republicans were the first to advocate the use of Federal Power to 1) advance the nation's infrastructure and economy; and 2) regulate civil rights at the national level, by restraining state conduct. Laws regulating private behavior existed all over the country until modern times, so I am not sure either party has a monopoly of that issue.

[Boris Godunov]

Ned, your regurgitation of the long-discredited allegations that Michael Schiavo abused Terri is disgusting. I know you have no compunction in engaging in character assassination, but this is slime. The courts have already heard and dismissed those allegations as not credible. Indeed, why is it such allegations never came to light until the family was in a desperate bid? The court also long ago dispensed with the claims of the nurse about what Michael supposedly said, calling her claims "not credible."

So how about some actual evidence to back up the sleazy claims, instead of hearsay from right-wing fanatics who will say anything to get their way?

[Ned]

Che, when they examined Terri for the medical malpractice case, she was found to have sustained a broken back and a broken femur. I don't know whether this information was conveyed to the police who had initially declared the matter as an attempted homicide. Why there was no initial police followup investigate the circumstances of Terri's event is a matter the press is trying to resolve, but the police are not cooperating.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, when they examined Terri for the medical malpractice case, she was found to have sustained a broken back and a broken femur.

Evidence, please.

[Boris Godunov]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050326/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman_7

No more federal appeals for the Schindlers, and their last-ditch effort has just been denied by the Florida judge. This is probably the last of the legal maneuvers.

[Dis]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2270&ncid=2270&e=1&u=/krwashbureau/20050326/ts_krwashbureau/_bc_braindamagedwoman_seize_exclusive_wa

damn, that would have been cool if the federal agents had a showdown with local police. That would have made my day. Yes I'm treating this as a big tv show or made for tv movie. I don't want anyone to get hurt (except for Terri), I just want entertainment.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Ned


shawn, Florida law also requires the consent of the victim that must be proved by "clear and convincing" evidence.

I object to the use of the word victim. You are trying to skew the matter through wordsmithing.

Not that you are doing a bad job, but it totally undermines your credibility. About the only people you coulld convince with your prejudiced crap would be your fellow back benchers from the Baptist church.

I have to yield to your earlier statement that I don't understand what lawyers do, Ned, clearly you have a much better grasp on the ability of lawyers to twist the truth into an unknowable murk.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050326/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman_7

No more federal appeals for the Schindlers, and their last-ditch effort has just been denied by the Florida judge. This is probably the last of the legal maneuvers.

Illegal maneuvers shall now commence.

Seriously, I think Jeb surely flirted with the law already.

Here is where you have to remember that Jeb, George, and the shadowy figures just off stage right, do not want to save Terri, but want this to be as spectactularly emotional as possible so that it will serve well to whip the frenzy of the base.

This is all about Roe v. Wade and is probably one of the more skillful propaganda campaigns I have seen in my lifetime.

I get so irked when folks say, no, the repubs aren't doing that, it would be stupid, look at the poll numbers, the majority is against them.

People are stupid. Propaganda is WHAT YOU USE when the polls do not support your position. Propaganda changes poll numbers and NONE HERE would be so shallow as to argue against the clearly evident fact that the first element of a propaganda campaign has already been achieved; the level of raw emotion surrounding has been raised to such an elevated level that it now precludes rational thinking among the faithful. This right to life mania will now simmer at just below critical mass until Terri's death, at which point many in our society who have been unconcerned and unattached to this debate will be SWEPT UP by the emotional tumult and suddenly and permanently branded by it and then my friends, the churches will overflow and you will look at the polls and you will UNDERSTAND how it was, the methods, that allow the National Socialist to swept into power in Europe between the great wars.

This is a time of gathering darkness in America.

I speak not as a liberal, but as a conservative, born again Christian, who has witnessed the usurpation of the national Church by these radical elements. The hate mongering must stop. These people must be stopped.

I appeal to those of you now in the iron grip of these beast, THINK FOR YOURSELVES! Remember the love of Christ and judge daily if the Church is serving the will of God or if it has only become a MOB.

Letting Terri go is the humane, and Christian, thing to do. Using her as a pawn in the great national debate is a transparent and arrogant act by the RR; they now no longer believe that they can be stopped.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

While letting terri go is humane starving her to death is not. This whole thing may be political to all of you but i bet its not to the parents. They have no other way to save a child they believe in, Hence them using the court system.
Im sure they cant just waltz in and take her away that would be kidnapping.

[Dis]

she's not starving to death, she's dying of thirst.

she can't feel pain.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
While letting terri go is humane starving her to death is not.

No it isn't, because she isn't conscious of it. And as I said 2 threads back when I related the story about my grandmother, even if she were, she wouldn't likely be in any real discomfort.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
While letting terri go is humane starving her to death is not. This whole thing may be political to all of you but i bet its not to the parents. They have no other way to save a child they believe in, Hence them using the court system.
Im sure they cant just waltz in and take her away that would be kidnapping.

the parents (and the husband) actually did take Terri home at one point in the 90's. She proved to be too much of a burden.

The parents want it both ways. They want the hospice to take care of her and do the "messy" stuff and have the state pay for it. While they can still keep their little girl.

They are going to eventually have to face reality. Just hearing the father at the press conferences, you can hear the denial.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

I dont know if she can or cannot feel pain. I have not researched her condition, Logically who in the hell can state this fact. Someone whos been there and what never came back. I know research on subjects like her decided this. All cases are different not every person in this condition are all the same .

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Originally posted by Dissident


the parents (and the husband) actually did take Terri home at one point in the 90's. She proved to be too much of a burden.

The parents want it both ways. They want the hospice to take care of her and do the "messy" stuff and have the state pay for it. While they can still keep their little girl.

They are going to eventually have to face reality. Just hearing the father at the press conferences, you can hear the denial.

And diss i stated in the first thead on this the parents dont want to let go. I think its more the mother then the fther that doesnt want her gone but you cant blame her she brought this lady in the world. tying up valuable time in the courts is wrong but what other route does she have at this point.