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    I was just looking over some Google news wires and found this:

    North Korea's nuclear standoff is likely to enter a new phase in the near future with signs of development with China, one of the six parties concerned, sources said.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said Chinese President Hu Jintao will visit North Korea upon the invitation of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

    A specific date is yet to be revealed, but some predicted the trip may happen within the first half of this year.

    June will mark one year since the last round of the disarmament talks. Leaders of the six-party framework - the two Koreas, the United States, China, Japan and Russia - have increasingly stated the standoff cannot continue for much longer.

    Experts here said Hu Jintao's visit to North Korea will be significant to the disarmament discussion.

    "China will show its signature diplomacy by making the presidential visit, saving face for Kim Jong-il and at the same time strongly implying the North should return to the six-party table," said Park Young-ho of the state-run Korean Institute for National Unification.

    Pyongyang has stalled since Feb. 10, when it released a statement claiming to possess nuclear weapons and would refuse to attend the six-party talks unless Washington drop its "hostile" policy on North Korea.

    In an apparent effort to soften the situation, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice used much of her time during the Asian tour urging the North to resume talks and acknowledging it as a negotiator.

    Sources said the Hu Jintao visit has been considered a possibility since last year and suggested the trip is highly likely to occur before the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in September in South Korea.

    "Positive gestures will be expected from North Korea upon the visit of Hu Jintao," Park Young-ho said.

    South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon also talked about the looming end of the six-party boycott.

    "By June, it will be a year since the last round of the six-party talks. Haven't we waited long enough?" Ban said in a morning debate hosted by the Korea Regional Policy Institute in central Seoul yesterday.

    "Secretary Rice description of the North as a 'sovereign state' during her Asian tour was a gesture crediting Pyongyang as an equal negotiating partner," Ban said.

    Ban also said there was no deadline agreed among the five of the six-party members on North Korea's return to the table but that a resumption of the negotiation was a priority.

    On her last stop in Beijing earlier this week, Rice warned that Washington may consider "other options" should Pyongyang continue to boycott the talks. Other options may include referring North Korea's nuclear program to the United Nations Security Council, according to experts.

    In an interview with The Nation, North Korean Ambassador to Thailand O Song-chol said Pyongyang was ready to go to war with the United States over the Stalinist state's contentious nuclear program. Chol added that North Korea was also prepared to enter into peace talks to resolve the dispute in the interview.

    Chol urged the United States not to refer the case to the U.N. Security Council, saying the move would be tantamount to a declaration of war, the Nation reported.
    The first part gives a lot of hope to the talks, but that wardrum beating at the end is a bit of a shudder.

    How serious is NK about going to war if the UN gets involved?

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    I suspect bluster more than anything.
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    • #3
      *yawn*
      Stop Quoting Ben

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Boshko
        *yawn*
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        • #5
          Even the great Korean Kim Jong must understand that if they declare war on the US, they'll get their regime changed by force. It would still be very bad if NK declared war, though, because they might actually resort to using nukes.
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          • #6
            great Korean Kim Jong


            Kim is the surname, Jong-Il (alt: Jong Il, Jongil) is the firstname.
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            • #7
              Those Far Asian name systems always confuse me. By the way, is the system used to transliterate their names to English accurate?
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              • #8
                Accurate, mostly.

                It's pronounced Kim Jong Ill, where the o is like oh. They're not using the MOE romanization system (then again, why would they, it's SKorea's...), and they're using the older McCune-Reischauer system.

                Now, the trick is when you get to some other names. Like... President ROH Moohyun? The letters for his surname are "r" and "oh", but it's pronounced "noh" instead. It is also occasionally written NOH Moo-hyun, and so on.

                There's Lee, which can either be the Lee with "l" and "i", or it can just be the "i" sound... so it's sometimes romanized I, Yi, Rhee... Syngman RHEE, for instance, where he switched the order of his name: Syngman RHEE is also YI Seungman, for instance.

                There's Choi, which should be pronounced more as Chae, there's Park, which is more Pak...

                It's accurate. Mostly accurate.

                Good rule of thumb is to assume that the first word you see as their surname, and the last two parts as their given name. Look for hyphens. If any part of the name is hyphenated, that's going to be the given name.

                ...and this isn't even getting into the fact that some Koreans have one or three+ syllable given names, like the actor JANG Hyuk.
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                • #9
                  Wow, that's pretty complex. When those names are written in Russian, they tend to use less different variations... I've only seen Li in Russian, while in English, Yi and Lee have also been seen. The worst part is when the name contain hui or huy or something like that (I suppose hu can also sound similar?), as that's something very obscene in Russian. It cracks me up when sports commentators try to think of how to say these names.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Solver
                    Even the great Korean Kim Jong must understand that if they declare war on the US, they'll get their regime changed by force. It would still be very bad if NK declared war, though, because they might actually resort to using nukes.
                    How so?

                    We got out asses kicked when we attempted to do that before. Yes they were aided by Chinese army and Soviet jets, but either way we will be in a world of hurt if China gets involved.

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                    • #11
                      okay I'm so sick of hearing about this ****... I hope there is war... I hope Kim Jong Dumbass says I DECLARE WAR and then obliterates Seoul... then I hope he nukes Japan... then I hope the US nukes PyongYang

                      someone please just put a bullet in that madmans head!
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        The ultimate losers of any war decision by the war-puppy will be the North Korean people.

                        Not to say that it wouldn't take a considerable amount of material, manpower, and resources to bring them to heel (and there's the ever present possibility that the king nutjob will lob a nuke or three, in which case, everyone loses no matter who "wins"), but in the end, it'll be the North Koreans who bear the brunt of the stupidity of their leadership (much like we're doing now, with Shrub, but to an obviously lesser degree).

                        China had best rein their favorite dog in before animal control gets wind of it and does it for them.

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                        • #13
                          Last edited by Solver; March 25, 2005, 15:23.
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                          • #14
                            The worst part is when the name contain hui or huy or something like that (I suppose hu can also sound similar?), as that's something very obscene in Russian. It cracks me up when sports commentators try to think of how to say these names.

                            Hui/Huy tends to be Chinese/SEAsian; it's quite rare for a Korean surname.

                            okay I'm so sick of hearing about this ****... I hope there is war... I hope Kim Jong Dumbass says I DECLARE WAR and then obliterates Seoul... then I hope he nukes Japan... then I hope the US nukes PyongYang

                            It's easy to be cavalier about such things when you're white.
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                            • #15
                              We got out asses kicked when we attempted to do that before. Yes they were aided by Chinese army and Soviet jets, but either way we will be in a world of hurt if China gets involved.


                              Yes, if China interferes. But if it's simply NK vs. US, NK can't hold the Americans off. On the other hand, US doesn't have most of its army available now.
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