Well tell my I'm wrong? Everyone knows I'm right. SURE it's a bit radical, but hey... it works.
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Spiffor, CAP is capped (pun intended) for the new members. hey basically will recieve a fraction of what the old members will recieve yet their markets must still absorb the subsidized agricultural surpluses of the much more heavily subsidized older members. Since many of the new members rely heavily on agriculture to power their economy there are going to be some unnecissarially tough days ahead for the peasants in the new member states.
That's the problem with market manipulating subsidies like CAP; the powerful always want to manipulate things into their favor. If there was no cap then the farmers in the new member states would do much better since their costs of production are much lower then in the old member states. Basically, it would be the fat cat over paid farmers in France, Germany, and Italy who would having tough times instead of the poor farmers in the new member states.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Pekka, you mean gdp per capita right?
Oh, and one thing for all of you... can we please, PLEASE stop referring France and Germany; or France Germany Italy Spain and Sweden and UK; or even the whole EU15 as "Europe"? Europe is an entire continent, defined as being between Atlantic Sea and the Ural (river and mountains), between Mediterrainian and Barents' Sea; it has a population of 700M and is bigger than US and Mexico combined. European Union is a political entity between 25 western European nations, it has a population of around 400M and is smaller than US states west of Mississippi.
I just hate it how the yanqees these days constantly refer to the term "Europe" or "eurocoms" when they read some story about internal French policies.
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Originally posted by VJ
I just hate it how the yanqees these days constantly refer to the term "Europe" or "eurocoms" when they read some story about internal French policies.
Spoiler:END RANTOne day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
That's the problem with market manipulating subsidies like CAP; the powerful always want to manipulate things into their favor.
I would like someone to remind me what CAP is for. [/rhetorical]One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.
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Originally posted by Dauphin
You read the latest figures about UK CAP recipients? Tate and Lyle got £127m. Their profits are in the region of €250m a year. Nestlé UK got £12m. What the hell do they need subsidies for....
To stop their shareholders from having to get Mcjobs, or increasing the number of beggars on the streets.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Pekka
Here's my solution. Let's move all Lithuanians to the sea and leave 10 of them alive. Saras and his family I suggest. Then give all the money to the survivors. Now, the GDP just is HUGE.
The wealth built up by the previous years of production will remain and that will be vastly greater, per head, than before - however it will start to fall sharply after depopulation as 10 people cannot produce enough to maintain the capital stock.19th Century Liberal, 21st Century European
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We have 12 MEPs, on a district populated by about 10 million people.
By comparison, Finland has exactly as many MEPs for half the population. And Finland is definitely far from being the most overrepresented population at the EP: Malta has 5 MEPs for 400,000 inhabs, making each Maltese worth as much as 10 Parisians.
I'm annoyed at it, but I don't whine about it. I accept such a situation as necessary to build Europe. However, Pekka's claim that I am "the man" is entirely false (it is this claim that I responded to)."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
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£10!Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
-Richard Dawkins
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The rate of corporate taxation means very little when it comes to encouraging business investment, what helps far more is the ability for businesses to work quickly and surely through regulatory requirements and the ability to hire and fire staff without unnecessary restrictions. With multiple levels of government in the EU now (at least 4 levels in some countries I presume - local, provincial or state, national, european parliament) it is probably difficult to quickly move through the regulations at all levels efficiently, and therefore this is the major disincentive to investment and jobs
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I bid 19.80 e.
I like the ironic use of "Yankee".
what helps far more is the ability for businesses to work quickly and surely through regulatory requirements and the ability to hire and fire staff without unnecessary restrictions. With multiple levels of government in the EU now (at least 4 levels in some countries I presume - local, provincial or state, national, european parliament) it is probably difficult to quickly move through the regulations at all levels efficiently, and therefore this is the major disincentive to investment and jobs
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