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Again, that's incorrect. It's just not documented to the degree that a public accountant would require, for instance. If you wanted to go through the expense of interviewing those who who spent the money in order to reconstruct what was spent, when it was spent, how it was spent, and why it was spent, then you could do so.Yes, we don't have a frickin' clue what happened to $9 billion of their money.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Always happy to serve.Originally posted by Ted Striker
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Why would it not be?Originally posted by DanS
Again, that's incorrect. It's just not documented to the degree that a public accountant would require, for instance. If you wanted to go through the expense of interviewing those who who spent the money in order to reconstruct what was spent, when it was spent, how it was spent, and why it was spent, then you could do so.
I mean, that's horrible, especially with the amount of money involved.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Again, that's incorrect. It's just not documented to the degree that a public accountant would require, for instance. If you wanted to go through the expense of interviewing those who who spent the money in order to reconstruct what was spent, when it was spent, how it was spent, and why it was spent, then you could do so.
And find out that a lot of it is corporate welfare.
Like that Haliburton contract where they overcharged us by over $108 million.
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Some reasons.Why would it not be?
(1) The accountants were in Washington while the money was being spent in Iraq. It was difficult to coordinate the documentation.
(2) The military spends money on an ad hoc basis sometimes because of the nature of its work. Iraq was a war zone and in such instances the military doesn't necessarily have to collect receipts in many situations.
(3) Business convention in Iraq does not work in the same manner as that required by public accountants in the US, for instance. The level of required documentation is much higher in the US.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Why would the military have direct control over Iraqi oil revenues, and be able to spend it on an ad hoc basis?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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These were the only reasons I could think of also but I really don't see how this justifies the lack of a paper trail. It shows to me a total lack of accountability, on top of the total lack of planning that is already legendary.Originally posted by DanS
Some reasons.
(1) The accountants were in Washington while the money was being spent in Iraq. It was difficult to coordinate the documentation.
(2) The military spends money on an ad hoc basis sometimes because of the nature of its work. Iraq was a war zone and in such instances the military doesn't necessarily have to collect receipts in many situations.
(3) Business convention in Iraq does not work in the same manner as that required by public accountants in the US, for instance.
Even if they aren't collecting receipts, they should at least be keeping track of where and how the money was spent. Having the guys back in Washington being able to do the paperpushing should have relieved the guys in the field of the paperwork burden.
I mean keeping a log and sending emails shouldn't be that hard.
Or maybe they should have outsourced to India and done the job right.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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As I recall, the CPA was under the military, because the military was the only instrument that had people in the entire country and could make things happen (civil affairs, infrastructure people, etc.).I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I watched the newsnight program. I think the BBC is a fine organisation most of the time, and this was another feather in the cap of good broadcasting. Atleast some people are asking the hard and important questions.
I think if corporate buisness turns its back on you because it feels your misguided beliefs get in the way of profit, then your cause is a step closer to being dead
Edit: I know the military have the facilities to shift lots of oil, maybe not at the capacity of the oil companies, but they would have been able to shift alot if told to. I just wonder if they have been? It would be possible to make a fair ammount 'vanish', it is a warzone after all.Last edited by child of Thor; March 20, 2005, 19:13.'The very basis of the liberal idea – the belief of individual freedom is what causes the chaos' - William Kristol, son of the founder of neo-conservitivism, talking about neo-con ideology and its agenda for you.info here. prove me wrong.
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Assuming, of course, that everybody had e-mail at all times. Despite all the modernization, I doubt the CPA had reliable e-mail, since they didn't even have cell phones that worked.I mean keeping a log and sending emails shouldn't be that hard.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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That's why you have a log so you can send it in batches when you're out in the field.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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As I recall, the CPA was under the military, because the military was the only instrument that had people in the entire country and could make things happen (civil affairs, infrastructure people, etc.).
You recall incorrectly. The military certainly shouldn't have had control over Iraqi oil revenues."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Documentation to our standards requires a level of detail that a simple log would not provide. Further, the documentation may exist to some degree, but hasn't been organized into a fashion (consolidation into a single file, etc.) that would be acceptable to meet the accounting standards of a public accountant, for instance.
In any event, Soros' transparency group should ask these people for interviews. I bet they would be happy to cooperate in reconstructing these transactions, unless they're just trying to slag these peoples' efforts.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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That's why the guys back in Washington can work out the details that the log doesn't provide.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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