Oh God No! The beginning of the end for sensible politics in the UK?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Given the fact that we've never gone fascist or Marxist, there's a certain case to be made for that assertion.

[chequita guevara]

Marxism would be sensible.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Marxism would be sensible.

Only to the demented... thus making it not

[Odin]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Marxism would be sensible.

Old Socialism:
Big Government:
Utopianism:

New Socialism:
decentralization:
Co-ops:

I laugh when people try to convince me that Marxism is somehow scientific.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

It is scientific. Then again, so is attempting to graft moose testicles into the brains of butterflies.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Odin
I laugh when people try to convince me that Marxism is somehow scientific.

I laugh when people who don't understand Marxism try and make claims about it.

[Seeker]

When was the 'Sensible Era' in British politics?

[Odin]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I laugh when people who don't understand Marxism try and make claims about it.

Marxism is scientific? Not when the ones in acedamia attack people who reseach behavioral genetics because it threatens thier ideological adhearance to the blank slate.

[Stefu]

If you are against abortion than don't get one. And the "you're a distroying a life" is also BS, every egg and sperm are also alive.

On the other hand, if you are for the legality of abortion, get a bumper sticker with either of these sassy comebacks that certainly apply to any intelligent debate and haven't been used like a thousand million times before!

[Shi Huangdi]

to Michael Howard.

I am not overly familiar with the views of the British public on this issue. But it might not be as stupid a position to take as some of you say. The thing is about the abortion issue is there is quite a number of people who will vote solely on this issue(the pro-life party there currently might not get as many votes right now, but that could be because it is not a major party that is seen as having a credible chance of winning). There tend to be not as many people on the pro-choice side that are willing to vote solely on the abortion issue, and those that are tend to be left-wing on most other issues as well and so wouldn't consider voting for the conservatives anyway. On the other hand, many of those willing to swing on the abortion issue have leftist economic views and without the abortion issue might vote for the left instead.

Moreover, at least in the USA while most people don't want to see all abortion outlawed, they are uncomftorable with the idea of abortion on demand and in favor of some restrictions. I am not sure how different that is in the UK.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Howard told Cosmopolitan magazine. 'I believe abortion should be available to everyone

Re-quoted for the benefit of the pro-lifers who aren't reading the article properly.

[Shi Huangdi]

He wasn't planning on ending it, but he is also in favor of adding more restrictions to it which would hopefully reduce the numbers of abortion.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Is that right?

Are you aware that we do not currently have abortion on demand in the UK? I read Howard's piece as indicating that, while reducing the limit by 4 weeks, he'll be making it on-demand.

True- doctors will generally accept any old excuse to do them, but is this really a victory for pro-lifers, or a typically sneaky Tory act of making the "right" noises while steering well clear of alienating the centre by actually changing anything?

[Zulu Elephant]

Its not the specific policy proposal that has made me so angry. Its the idea of morality politics - a public discourse where individuals attempt to impose their morality on the majority through the ballot box.

Elections should be about real issues. I dont care whether you cast your vote for the party that you feel would be best for everyone in the country or vote for who you think would be best for you personally as long as you are voting on proper policy. Its a slippery slope once parties attempt to harness morality for short term electoral gain, warping the real point of elections in the process. People fought and died to allow people to vote to improve the country and safeguard their freedoms - NOT to allow a parties to flirt with moral fascism.

[Sava]

reducing abortions

reducing abortions by making it harder to get them