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  • #31
    Thankyou Imran. DanS, why don't you go and post about something you know a sh*t about, or is that beyond your scope?
    Speaking of Erith:

    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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    • #32
      The highest court in the UK remains the house of lords, right?
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      • #33
        In some cases the highest court is the Law Lords (not the entire House of Lords, just those with legal training). In other cases the Privy Council is highest.
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #34
          Well, that implies a less than complete separation of powers then, right?

          (I know I'm flip-flopping sides in this discussion right now, but the UK is screwed up anyway - we probably ought to boot it out of the EU and pour concrete into the chunnel)
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          • #35
            DanS, why don't you go and post about something you know a sh*t about, or is that beyond your scope?
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #36
              Well, that implies a less than complete separation of powers then, right?


              Not really. Since the House of Lords really have no legislative functions anymore (they can delay passage of a bill for a short period of time, but can't veto it).
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #37
                Just one more peice of evidence that the UK needs a written constitution...

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  Well, that implies a less than complete separation of powers then, right?


                  Not really. Since the House of Lords really have no legislative functions anymore (they can delay passage of a bill for a short period of time, but can't veto it).
                  Their role may be diminished and complementary but they're still a legislative body that can amend bills and scrutinises the govt.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Colon
                    Well, that implies a less than complete separation of powers then, right?

                    (I know I'm flip-flopping sides in this discussion right now, but the UK is screwed up anyway - we probably ought to boot it out of the EU and pour concrete into the chunnel)
                    A belligerent Belgian - rather funny in its way.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Azazel
                      Confining people without due process is a violation of the Magna Carta.


                      why is this a violation of due process, in any other way than arresting people for 24 hours?
                      I have to agree. This sounds almost like the same sort of situation. They still get their day in court and the only thing that's changed is the police can act upon the situation immediately if they need to.
                      Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Pekka
                        Terrorists don't hate our freedom. We hate our freedom.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Odin
                          Just one more peice of evidence that the UK needs a written constitution...
                          IIRC most of it already *is* written and the stuff that isn't is so well entrenched through precedent it is for all practical purposes written anyway. Perhaps you are advocating they unify their constittuion to a single document? I'm not sure that would improve the protection of their rights.

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                          • #43
                            Their role may be diminished and complementary but they're still a legislative body that can amend bills and scrutinises the govt.


                            Ever heard of the Parliament act? If the house of Commons (ie the government) wants to, they can just force through whatever law they want. The House of Lords is more advisary than anything else ...
                            You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                            • #44
                              Which doesn't mean they aren't a legislative body...
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                Since when did the Brits have any credible separation of powers?
                                Huh? They invented the idea.

                                There is no need for new laws on security or terrorism.

                                All that is happening is governments, police and security forces are using the whole terror industry to get powers they always dreamed of.
                                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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