Lithuanian and Estonian presidents boycott commemorations of ww2's ending in Russia

[Heresson]

in Russia.
Latvian president decided to come (as is Polish), but has sent a letter to European leaders and USA president in which she stressed that she does not agree with Russian interpretation of history.
Boycott of commemorations has to do with recent Moscow's remarks justifying Ribbentrop-Molotov treaty
and questioning the occupation of Baltic states.
Worth to mention Moscow recently also reprimanded Poland for it's negative attitude towards Jalta treaty, which, according to Russia, was a bliss for it.
Also, Russia recently, despite earlier promises, rejected to hand over the results of Russian investigation about Katyn (and other) mass-murders of Polish officers, medics, priests and intellectuals.

I admire the courage of both presidents, but especially of Estonia, for which it probably means that delimitation of boarders with Russia will not take place: participance in may the ninth celebrations was a condition of signing it by Russia, and was supposed to take place a day after.

Arnold Ruutel (the president of Estonia): - "The end of ww2 brought victory over fascism, but also forced soviet totalitarian regime upon us"
(my rough translation )

Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, independant before ww2, were during it annexed by USSR.

[Ecthy]

just shortly ago I read a rather long "essay" on some commie page that justified the whole cordon sanitaire's coming to be. they started with East Poland (which is sort of acceptable) but then continued with Finland, the Baltics and finalyl Bessarabia.

the logic was ridiculous. there was a non aggressoin treaty between the baltic republics and the USSR, which included the renting of army stations by the latter on the former's territory. so when there weer pro-fascist governments in the baltic republics, the red army had all rights to march in and protect the people voting for legitimate governments, which then freely decided to join the USSR. similar logic for Bessarabia.
Finnland just refused fair negotiations to change the border in order to protect Leningrad from Finnish artillery, so all out war was just a defensive necessity.

(all that showing how soviet-commie logic works)

they went on like that. impossible they believed all the crap. must be either deliberate bull**** to impress weak minded ones or just ideological blindness. a bit of both probably. my father told me that in the GDR government members always made up big excuses and attempts to logical treatments of political issues, in a way similar to the one mentioned. in times when even the soviets didn't even try to find justification for acts like the afghanistan invasion, East German commies would find eays to excuse anything. just the minds in the west would always have it easy to negate everything. easy enough with opponents like that.

[Ecthy]

no mentioning of the carpato-ukraine on that page, BTW...

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
just shortly ago I read a rather long "essay" on some commie page that justified the whole cordon sanitaire's coming to be. they started with East Poland (which is sort of acceptable)

[Ecthy]

yes?

[Heresson]

Why do You think it's acceptable?

[Ecthy]

"sort of acceptable" as in "alas they have a historical background as a semi-justification, so it's the last of the 4 or 5 territorial issues I'd blame them for". it's not good, but your stupid war of 1920 or so gives them an excuse.

[Heresson]

"That stupid war of ours about 1920" saved your German and other European asses from decades of communist rule.
Do You think Poland had any choice, anyway?
Also, there's "historical background for semi-justification" for Bessarabia, Baltic states and Finland as well.

[Ecthy]

maybe so, but it's less (example?). saving butts from decades of communist rule could be a justification for Barbarossa, dear. shall I complain about lost German territories in the East?

[Pekka]

Yeah it's back to old times. We were just notified as well, that we started the war agasint SU back in the days. After they had already agreed they started back in... 90s, admitted some propaganda was in the way, the documents, everything, veterans, everyone agreeing how historical facts, not opinions but facts happened. Now, it's backto old times. I'm not too optimistic about this current leadership anymore. nothing but a future dictator and history revisionist.

[Ecthy]

Pekka, the claim is/was that Finnish artillery started it all. what are the facts? (maybe some sources too)

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
maybe so, but it's less (example?). saving butts from decades of communist rule could be a justification for Barbarossa, dear. shall I complain about lost German territories in the East?

Ecthelion, comparison of Poland to nazi Germany is somewhat absurd itself, to the point I do not have to comment it. Are You aware of it and are just trolling, or do I really have to answer to that?

Really, I thought You are a crazy nation with all that ww2 and patriotic political correctness.
After that post, I'm not that sure if it is not necessary after all.

[DanS]

Well, thank god we're finally putting a stake in the heart of Yalta. That's the big picture here.

[Ecthy]

eww, someone spent too much time in this PC place.

did you notice I used your own point against you? has nothing to do with comparing things with each other.

[Pekka]

It's an old claim, been proven many times, admitted by our neighbour as well. I won't even start discussing about it.