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Originally posted by DanS
Margins are king. While Sony is sitting still, value is being destroyed.
Margins are king. While Sony is sitting still, value is being destroyed.
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Not necessarily true. When Apple was going for profit margins, Intel was going for volume.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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IBM's computer business was soemthing like #3 in the world and it commanded a price primium. They had large numbers but the margin was still narrow because the PC business has virtually become a commodity business. That said I still wouldn't have sold the PC business simply because it was a core competancy of IBM. When people think of PCs IBM was one of the first brands people thought of so the company benifited from being in that business evenif it was a low margin business. Instead they should have cut costs by moving production to Asia and kept soldiering on.Originally posted by Azazel
The only reason these bussinesses are low margin is because not enough products are sold.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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I don't know the decades-ago history of Intel's margins, but for the last decade or so, they have among the highest margins in corporate America.Not necessarily true. When Apple was going for profit margins, Intel was going for volume.
Right now, Intel's gross margins are 56% and net margins are 22%. In other words, Intel is a money mint.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Currently, Samsung Electronics's market capitalization is greater than that of Sony's.B♭3Comment
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Does Samsung list its electronics unit seporate from the rest of the company? As I recall Samsung and the other Chabol are into every business under the sun.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Yes. Part of the reason why Samsung's doing so well--there's more transparency in the entire chaebol than in most other ones, and the Electronics division is listed separately, as well as operated independently.
Though, I think in this case, we're considering Sony's electronics business separate from its media business.B♭3Comment
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That's after Intel gained market dominance. Thanks for proving my point though.Originally posted by DanS
I don't know the decades-ago history of Intel's margins, but for the last decade or so, they have among the highest margins in corporate America.
Right now, Intel's gross margins are 56% and net margins are 22%. In other words, Intel is a money mint.(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."Comment
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So what were Intel's historical margins, when it didn't have "market dominance"? You haven't presented any data on that to prove your point.
I suspect that you don't have the data and are just pulling your opinion out of your ass. I could be wrong though.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Margins don't determine whether a company is a money mint. Return on investment does. And you can perfectly well have a low-margin business with a high REI.Originally posted by DanS
I don't know the decades-ago history of Intel's margins, but for the last decade or so, they have among the highest margins in corporate America.
Right now, Intel's gross margins are 56% and net margins are 22%. In other words, Intel is a money mint.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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The samsung I rode in a few years ago (yes, a samsung car) was very nicely stylied, but according to my stepfather, sluggish.Originally posted by Oerdin
Does Samsung list its electronics unit seporate from the rest of the company? As I recall Samsung and the other Chabol are into every business under the sun.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Yeah, I saw several Samsung cars when I was in Korea but I seem to recall hearing Samsung sold it's car unit after the won crashed in the late 90's.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Samsung Motors is now majority owned by Renault, though Samsung still owns a third of it. It got most of its technology base from Nissan and, through them, Renault.B♭3Comment
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There's also the hypothesis that aliens built the Pyramids.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
One hypothesis has it that IBM is getting rid of anything that has a connection with Wintel. Their next thing is the Cell processor, which will run Linux.
Certainly sounds intriguing.Comment
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