Honor killings.....

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
You have Muslim-only timeslots in public swimming pools?

Do they have to present a certificate of islamicity to get entrance, or what?

Edit: Idiot error corrected.

i presume its not muslim only, but gender segregated time slots. IIRC Boston had that not so many years ago, to accommodate Orthdox Jews.

[Chemical Ollie]

I can't understand how you could increase your honour by killing a family member. Or killing anyone. It should be called "shame killings"

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
I can't understand how you could increase your honour by killing a family member. Or killing anyone. It should be called "shame killings"

You know, Jesus said stuff about getting rid of the part of the body that's stopping us from entering Heaven. It's metaphoric, but it's a good analogy here.
They're getting rid of part of the family that's causing it shame in their opinion...
But of course, You are right.

Originally posted by lord of the mark


i presume its not muslim only, but gender segregated time slots. IIRC Boston had that not so many years ago, to accommodate Orthdox Jews.

Probably, but it's still wrong. It's a public space. I should have the right to use it whenever I want and it is opened. Also, I think they're having only women-only times, not men-only. And so, it is sexist.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by nostromo
I don't know if you knew this, they instaured charia in Ontario. Worst idea ever. Ironically, the woman who gave it the green light, she's a feminist. I guess political correctness got the better of her.

Simply not true although I have seen a similar statement posted at ACS before.

It has been talked about and discussed at the governmental level- but not instituted. There are obvious pressures pushing against such a policy.

[Ecthy]

StAbi = state library... I noticed that praying section when I was looking for a copier

[The Andy-Man]

there is a girl at my uni who wears the whole black tent think (forgot its name) with just a post box for her to see out of, which is quite depressing to see in the centre of london. And she obviously dosn't like it, cos the amount of make up she has on her eyes is unbeleivable. Its like she wants them to be noticed by someone, like a plea for help.

[Nostromo]

i presume its not muslim only, but gender segregated time slots. IIRC Boston had that not so many years ago, to accommodate Orthdox Jews.

No, it's muslim only. Not only do they ask for gender segregated time slots, but they don't want non-muslim women around. If the lifeguard is non-muslim, its a problem for a lot of women: they feel somehow that it goes against coranic law. They have other revendications as well. They must not be seen from the outside. Even though, its dangerous for the swimmer and the lifeguard, the women must wear clothing over their swimsuits. Mind you, you don't see this in all public pools. Some of them accept these conditions, others don't.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by The Andy-Man
there is a girl at my uni who wears the whole black tent think (forgot its name) with just a post box for her to see out of, which is quite depressing to see in the centre of london. And she obviously dosn't like it, cos the amount of make up she has on her eyes is unbeleivable. Its like she wants them to be noticed by someone, like a plea for help.

She should wear black sunglasses on top of it

[Az]

a) It's "honor" murders.
b) Fight the oppression, in all possible ways!

[Nostromo]

Simply not true although I have seen a similar statement posted at ACS before.

It has been talked about and discussed at the governmental level- but not instituted. There are obvious pressures pushing against such a policy.

I thought it had been instituted.

[Pekka]

This is liberal crap. These dudes kill their own daughters/sisters. Hey, if it happens in their own country, that tolerates it by sentencing these men to few years in prison, by all means, pleas do.

When you do it in other countries, that don't look it as a preference of .. doing things, they should get their ****ing heads bashed in. Oh the poor men, who have no opportunities, the poor men who are brainwashed by the old customs and they feel obligated to do it even if they don't want to, it's honour thing, it's all they have. BS. Bash their ****ing faces in. That's what they need, not any BS programs where they can talka bout their inner emotions towards women and sexuality. What do you think will happen? They will drink the free coffee and call the lecturer a ***** who should be strangeled after they get out of the building.

It's an old thing. You think you can change it? None of this BS will ever work. We can't do anything about it really, but we can bash their heads and face in when it happens, and that's what we should do.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Forbidding arranged marriages and including a means to prosecute parents who force their children to marry against their will.

How is this going to be done? The bride and groom can just say that they want to be married and how will anyone know that the parents have arranged the marriage?

It can be done - it is done in Denmark, and it seems that other countries are very interested in the concept despite civil rigth groups and left wing parties are going beserk.

The solution is that if the danish citizen is less than 24 it is evaluated if the pairs relations to Denmark is lesser than to another country, then the foreign person isn't allowed entrance. That is, if a 18 year old 2-generation turkish/danish girl is to marry some boy from turkey, they has the choise of living seperated for six years or settle in Turkey.

Of course, the Swedes tries to undermine this by allowing them to settle in f.ex. Malmø.

It isn't without problems, because the rule goes for everyone. so even somebody that can proof their straight descendance from "Gorm den Gamle" (an old danish king with an exstreme amount of descendants , but have been abroad for several years and tries to get somebody they married there back to Denmark has hit this rule.

Besides these hickups, the rule is very efficient, the amount of possible arranged marriages has dropped drastic. Besides helping those who are going to be married, it is also a help to those families that are under pressure from from foreign relatives to use their children as easy entrances, because they can say it isn't allowed.

For the children those six years are also critical - they get the opportunity to get an education and will be stronger to say no, wich may be difficult at 17-18.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Forbidding arranged marriages and including a means to prosecute parents who force their children to marry against their will.

How is this going to be done? The bride and groom can just say that they want to be married and how will anyone know that the parents have arranged the marriage?

It would be hard to forbid it...but the government could make it legal grounds for an annulment. That might make the parents think twice.

[Whaleboy]

I just saw a documentary on the National Geographic channel about honour killings in Pakistan and it literally made me feel nausious... and there isn't much that can do that. Featured this woman who had her nose and ears cut off, her eyes and part of her tongue cut off, and beaten within an inch of her life while 3 months pregnant (the foetus survived and was born 6 months later), all because her husband caught her talking with another man. She was one of the very few who got justice and the reporter interviewed the husband in jail, who was completely unrepentant. Showed illiterate men saying to Koran allowed them to do it and that men are higher than women, although those that read it cannot make such an inference.

Completely sickening stuff, though this particular woman attracted attention and was flown to the US for free facial reconstruction surgery which was successful though she's still blind.

[DanS]

Why on Earth would any government do something so facist as discourage arranged marriages? All y'all are off your rockers. A goodly portion of the world works just fine with an arranged marriage system.