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    Ok, so the Dems don't like some of Bush's judicial nominees so they have been filibustering the votes. The problem is that the Consitution says that you only need 51 votes to confirm a nominee but it takes 60 votes to end a filibuster. As a result, in order to confirm the nominee, you now need 60 votes instead of the consitutional 51. Sure, the Dems have the right to use the filibuster but it is a dirty trick that essentially changes what the constitution intended.

    So, to end this situation, some Republicans have suggested the so-called "nuclear option" where you'd change the senate rules making possible to end a filibuster with only 51 votes.

    Well, Sen. Byrd has again caused a controversy when he compared the Republicans to Hitler.



    Well, here's what Sen. Byrd said on the senate floor on this issue:
    "For the temporary gain of a handful of out of the mainstream judges, some in the Senate are ready to callously incinerate each senator, each senator, every senator's right of extended debate. Hitler never abandoned the cloak of legality. He never abandoned the cloak of legality. He recognized the enormous psychological value of having the law on his side. Instead, he turned the law inside out and made this illegality legal. And that is what the nuclear option seeks to do. Minorities have an illustrious past, full of suffering, torture, smear, and even death. Jesus Christ was killed by a majority. Columbus was smeared. Christians have been tortured."

    Folks, Sen. Byrd has free speech. But his comments are way overboard IMO. We're talking about changing senate rules to limit the use of filibuster. How in the world does that have anything to do with the Holocaust? This is just way out of proportion! There is no comparison whatsoever between limiting filibustering and murdering 6 million people?

    This notion that if you don't let Dems filibuster that you are trying to kill them in a Holocaust. That's just absurd and insulting.

    Not to mention that Byrd was a member of the KKK. He's a fine one to speak on oppressing minorities.
    'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
    G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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    Maybe he doesn't know about Godwin's law?
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    • #3
      Re: Sen. Byrd compares Republicans to Hitler!

      Originally posted by The diplomat
      Ok, so the Dems don't like some of Bush's judicial nominees so they have been filibustering the votes. The problem is that the Consitution says that you only need 51 votes to confirm a nominee
      No it doesn't. It says the Senate shall confirm them. The Senate can decide for itself how it wants to do that. Frankly, I think it should require a 2/3rd vote to apporve any judge or Presidential appointee. That means that means no more fringe lunies like the judges that are currently being filibustered.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #4
        Byrd is proof that mandatory retirement ages should apply to politicians too.
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        ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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        • #5
          Good job Dems.

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          • #6
            It is also extremely disengenious for you, as a Republican, to complain about Democratic filibustering. Were you complaining about Republican filibustering during Clinton's presidency? That's what I thought.
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            • #7
              were does he mention the Holocaust, exactly Diplo? I see a jesus referrence, but not a holocaust one (no, mentioning Hitler is not the same as saying Holocaust).

              OH, and repugs, as the proud party of mosts ex and curtrent Klan members should really not get too huffy about Byrd, unelss they want the hypocrasy meter to explode.

              But yeah, the dems need to get the sante back so they can kill judicial nominations the old fahisoned way, by never allowing them out of committee, like how the republicans killed endlessly more judicial nominations under Clinton. So, come on dems, lets get back the senate
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              • #8
                Originally posted by GePap
                were does he mention the Holocaust, exactly Diplo? I see a jesus referrence, but not a holocaust one (no, mentioning Hitler is not the same as saying Holocaust).
                He uses the term "incinerate". Then, he talks about Hitler (who he is known for ordering the Holocaust) and compares Democrats to the minorities who have been killed and tortured (like the Jews). He does not use the term "Holocaust" but I think it is pretty obvious what he is trying to say.
                'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
                G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The diplomat


                  He uses the term "incinerate". Then, he talks about Hitler (who he is known for ordering the Holocaust) and compares Democrats to the minorities who have been killed and tortured (like the Jews). He does not use the term "Holocaust" but I think it is pretty obvious what he is trying to say.
                  Yup, incinerated in the fires of the Nuclear option. It is rpetty clear. You do remember what nukes can do, right?

                  Oh, and don't flatter yourselve as a republican, he said you guys are trying things even Hitler did not try.
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                  • #10
                    Byrd gave an excellent speech, incidentally.
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                    • #11
                      This is good. It shows that America's archaic and behind-the-times Democratic party is catching up, becoming a little less behind the times, by getting its own version of Ann Coulter. They already had Michael Moore, but he was more of a Rush Limbaugh analog, totally eighties.
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                      • #12
                        It's not republicans being compaired to hitler, it's hitler being compaired to republicans.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GePap

                          Yup, incinerated in the fires of the Nuclear option. It is rpetty clear. You do remember what nukes can do, right?

                          Oh, and don't flatter yourselve as a republican, he said you guys are trying things even Hitler did not try.
                          And you think it's appropriate for a senator to say that the other party is trying to incinerate senators when he is just referring to senate rules on debate. Don't you think "incinerate" is kinda a strong word?

                          The fact is that the references to Hitler were completely inapropriate. What the republicans want to do is nothing like what Hitler did. To compare the "nuclear option" to the kinds of laws that Hitler passed is offensive and wrong.

                          And gimme a break. The Dems are in the minority in the Senate and House and Byrd thinks they are like Jesus Christ who was crucified? So, now being in the minority and not getting your way on every single bill, means you are like the Son of God was was put to death on a cross? Byrd sure thinks big of himself!
                          'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
                          G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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                          • #14
                            OMG n0 1 can be like teh hitler!!!11

                            this is 4merikk4!!1!!1!!

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                            • #15
                              When you hate Republicans, enything bad you can say about them is fair game.

                              But of course, we must keep the discussion civil when talking about MY side.
                              “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                              ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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