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    Go South Carolina!!!



    Federal judge: Charge Padilla or release him
    Ruling given in 'enemy combatant' case
    From Phil Hirschkorn
    CNN
    Tuesday, March 1, 2005 Posted: 1651 GMT (0051 HKT)


    (CNN) -- Calling the case a "law enforcement matter, not a military matter," a federal judge in South Carolina has ruled that the U.S. government cannot continue to hold "enemy combatant" Jose Padilla without charging him with a crime.

    The ruling says the government has 45 days to do so or Padilla would be eligible for release. The government vowed to appeal the ruling.

    The order from U.S. District Judge Henry Floyd sided with defense attorneys who advanced that argument in a hearing last month in Spartanburg, South Carolina, the jurisdiction where Padilla has been detained for 2 1/2 years as a military prisoner.

    The Supreme Court ordered last June that the challenge, which originated in New York, be heard there.

    Padilla, a 34-year-old American suspected of plotting with al Qaeda to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" and to blow up apartment buildings in the United States, was arrested in May 2002 upon landing on an overseas flight to Chicago.

    He was initially transferred to New York as a material witness in the grand jury investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and has never faced criminal charges.

    "His alleged terrorist plans were thwarted at the time of his arrest. There were no impediments whatsoever to the government bringing charges against him for any one or all of the array of heinous crimes that he has been effectively accused of committing," Judge Floyd found.

    "Since (Padilla's) alleged terrorist plans were thwarted when he was arrested on the material witness warrant, the court finds that the president's subsequent decision to detain (him) as an enemy combatant was neither necessary nor appropriate," the judge wrote.

    It was one month after Padilla's arrest when President Bush declared him a "grave threat" to national security and transferred him to military custody at the Charleston Naval Brig in South Carolina. Padilla was denied access to an attorney for two years.

    Padilla defense attorney Donna Newman applauded Monday's ruling, saying it "is confirmation that the Constitution is alive and well and kicking."

    "If you want to hold him, you have to charge him with a crime," she said.

    Justice Department spokesman John Nowacki said, "We will appeal the judge's decision."

    The case would likely be heard next by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond.

    The government has argued that the president's constitutional authority as commander-in-chief and Congress's authorization for the use of military force against the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks are lawful grounds for Bush's action.

    But Floyd drew a distinction between combatants captured during military operations abroad and suspected terrorists arrested on American soil.

    He relied on the Supreme Court's ruling in the parallel enemy combatant case of Yaser Hamdi, in which the majority decision declared a "state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens." Both Hamdi and Padilla are U.S. citizens.

    "To be more specific," Floyd wrote, "whereas it may be a necessary and appropriate use of force to detain a United States citizen who is captured on the battlefield, this court cannot find, in narrow circumstances presented in this case, that the same is true when a United States citizen is arrested in a civilian setting such as an United States airport."

    The high court has held the president does have the authority to detain "enemy combatants" captured on the battlefield, but even then the detainee is entitled to a fact-finding hearing. The government avoided such a hearing in Hamdi's case by releasing him to his native Saudi Arabia last October.

    Padilla's attorneys have always maintained that presidential authority does not extend to American citizens caught on American soil, and unlike Hamdi, who was allegedly carrying a Kalashnikov assault rifle and traveling with Taliban troops, Padilla was carrying no weapons and wearing civilian clothes.

    "It is true that, under some circumstances, such as those present in Hamdi, the president can indeed hold an United States citizen as an enemy combatant. Just because something is sometimes true, however, does not mean that it is always true," Floyd wrote.

    "The president's use of force to capture Mr. Hamdi was necessary and appropriate. Here, that same use of force was not," the judge wrote.

    Floyd said if the purpose of Padilla's indefinite detention is to prevent him from rejoining his alleged al Qaeda confederates, then the president ought to ask Congress to pass a law allowing him to do so.

    "If the law in its current state is found by the president to be insufficient to protect this country from terrorist plots, such as the one alleged here, then the president should prevail upon Congress to remedy the problem," Floyd wrote.

    "It is true that there may be times during which it is necessary to give the executive branch greater power than at other times. Such a granting of power, however, is in the province of the legislature and no one else -- not the court and not the president," he wrote.
    So you've got an American citizen arrested on American soil for attempted murder and he's been held without being charged for years in blatant disregard for the most fundamental freedoms granted in the Bill of Rigths (namely to not be held indefinately without being charged). Its really disgracefull that this has gone on as long as it hard, but it looks like things are finally moving in the right direction.
    Stop Quoting Ben

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    "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

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    • #3
      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
      "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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      • #4
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          It was almost inevitable that this would happen (and almost inevitable that Bill O'Reilly would be spouting off on how horrible this is...)
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #6


            America can still be a place of actual justice.
            Tutto nel mondo è burla

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            • #7


              Now convict him.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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              • #8
                Good Decision

                The government has argued that the president's constitutional authority as commander-in-chief and Congress's authorization for the use of military force against the perpetrators of the Sept. 11 attacks are lawful grounds for Bush's action.

                The govt. claims seem absurd. Do they have any precedent? Oh and what happens during appeal does he get to rot in a cell?
                Accidently left my signature in this post.

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                • #9
                  IIRC, they were told this a couple years ago, too. They were also told this with Joe Dogherty, whom they held for over a decade before illegally extraditing him to the UK, against judicial orders. Before we are all happy about this, let's wait until the government complies.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Now convict him then hang him.
                    We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                    If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                    Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                    • #11
                      Now convict him then hang him.

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                      • #12
                        So all we've actually got is an intelligent judge with a bit of perspective.

                        Let's see how many more years of Padilla's life go wasted while the govt appeals. He may be guilty, but he does deserve the right to a fair trial, and to face his accusers. (Who seem unable to trump up any actual charges.)

                        "If the law in its current state is found by the president to be insufficient to protect this country from terrorist plots, such as the one alleged here, then the president should prevail upon Congress to remedy the problem," Floyd wrote.
                        Certainly this should not be a problem for this administration...
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                        • #13
                          That quote makes no sense, since earlier in the article it mentions how his attack was thwarted.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SpencerH
                            Now convict him then hang him.
                            Is he guilty of something?
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #15
                              Possibly, we'll never know till the govt decides to charge him, if they ever do.

                              If they do prove that he was a planning a terrorist attack isn't he guilty of conspiracy of some description?

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