the movie shoot take 2

[Pekka]

Well go ahead and read what I wrote. And do you know that since you are having a lesbian scene, you actually need two lesbians. Or straight ones, but anyway.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
Sounds fun, MRT. Can you get hooked on Viagra btw?

It's very hard

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
I know this ****.

So do I. $150 for the two of them means they got ripped off, even for ameteur porn. Never take a promise of future payoffs. If he can't give you more money up front, then demand a cut of the sales.

[MRT144]

che, how are we in a position to make demands? we actually like these people and are friends with them?

150 per person wasnt too bad. I dont know though, how much could we milk em for?

[Pekka]

che, It was 150 PER PERSON. you just don't know what you are talking about.

[JohnT]

Che is right: you two should have been paid more.

Che is wrong, however: getting paid wasn't their primary motivation in doing this, Che.

[Pekka]

And you are both wrong in accounts of how much these gigs pay.

Well JOhnT wasn't making any claims, however, for dudes, these jobs do NOT pay. For chicks, these jobs do NOT pay unless you are a star, or if you do a flick per day. I've seen figures, I've seen them from famous producers, and at this moment 'gonzo' porn is the most lucrative because there's no cost. Average sell for a flick is between 2000 and 3000 copies. Yeah. So how are you going to make winnings? Cut down the cost. Get your own camera etc etc.. that's how it works, except in few cases with very big productions.

Reality check time.

[JohnT]

That's because there's not much market for home made videos of pasty-white Finns bumping bellies while buried under 9 feet of snow.

[Pekka]

.. well that' snot the recepie for hit I assume..

But that's the average sell for a porn film. That's why there are a million flicks in a store. You buy one or two, it's not easy. That's why debbie does dallas is over 200 something now. That's why they make a whole lots of them in fast pace. Because you are not making a great rip from one single film.

[Spiffor]

/me reads attentively Pekka's posts.

In transportation threads, there was always Adam Smith to give us very valuable insight about the inner workings of the field. We have now found the Adam Smith for porn threads

Interesting. I didn't know that even the stars made so little money per gig.

[Pekka]

Stars do not make much, except few female stars, they make good money. The rest, not really. That's why it's quantity over quality.

You look what Rocco Siffredi does, he does 'gonzo porn'. Cheap, and lots of them, and he's one of the most succesful right now as far as sales go. I don't know how the internet porn is doing, the sites that produces their own material. THey might do a little better, the great ones, but on average, I don't know, I have no idea.

Spiffor, well, my words are based on few producers own words, plus what is generally known in the business.

Of course, it varies how actors and actresses get paid, everyone has their own system, but the rule is, no one excepts female superstars makes money on a single film. If you sell about 3000 flicks, then you count how much money you make after the crew has been paid the absolute minimum and it has been edited with absolute minimum, all that ****, plus producing DVDs or VHS tapes what ever it is, after all the costs, plus you have to sell it to the distributor if you are not one yourself, how much do you think they will pay you per flick, I tell you how much, if it's a GREAT movie, i mean a ****ing good one, it will be around 8 to 12 bucks MAXIMUM. Most likely less though. So let's assume you're making a great movie, you get a great deal, 8 bucks per piece, multiply that by the amount you actually sell, then take off all the salaries, all that stuff, costs and expenses.. you are not left with much. That's why you don't build up a huge empire because it is essential to make them cheap, so you make the cut better. Not including few big ones who can afford to make and usually sell a lot.

With bad luck, you'll break just even. But with better luck, you can make money. You can sell it to the cable companies showing late night erotica or porn, so you make a soft version of it too for those purposes. That would usually go for a better price, they pay OK, which means you maybe doubled your winnings. But, then it has to be quality flick, they don't want messy soft porn.

ANyway, there is a reason why there are so many big series, and only few real producers that survive and are famous. It's extremely hard and difficult, but internet can change that a bit since you can make money elsewhere too than direct sells.

[Pekka]

plus take it into account that distributors will **** you over, they will buy the 2000 or 3000 copies, AND the rights. If you are not a player in the biz, that's all you're going to get, and if ****ty luck, they'll pay you around 10k. So, if it becomes a hit, they sell it like bananas, you still don't get nothing. You can't put that material on the internet and sell it more. You have no rights to it anymore. There are few distributors in the US that lets you have the rights and play it fair, Red Light District and Platinum (something). Then there is a third one whose name I can't remember. Also Evil Angel and Buttman is always looking for peeps and they make you better deals.

[MRT144]

this is internet only too

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Pekka
Well go ahead and read what I wrote. And do you know that since you are having a lesbian scene, you actually need two lesbians. Or straight ones, but anyway.

Thanks for clearing that up, a solo lesbian scene, now there's a thought!

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by MRT144

I dont know though, how much could we milk em for?

As much as lacto-porn will fetch, I should imagine.