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    It looks like the Anglican church may experience a schism over an open, practicing gay bishop in the States.

    I have a feeling that this is very bad news for christianity. I'm in the RCC, so schism may mean more to me than it does to protestants, whose predecessors quit the RCC. The church is trying to patch up 900 years of water under the bridge, and it's a damned difficult thing to do. The Pope can be instrumental in bringing down a huge empire, but stumbles when trying to mend ties with the orthodox church -- it's a much more difficult task.

    In any event, I feel like even though I'm not Anglican, I have a stake in how this turns out. How do the Anglicans here feel about this?

    US, Canada ordered to leave Anglican Church over gay issue

    The leaders of the world's 38 Anglican Churches have for the first time formalised the split in the Communion prompted by the ordination of an actively gay bishop in the US.

    The primates, or archbishops, meeting in Northern Ireland have asked the American and Canadian churches to withdraw from the Communion's chief representative body for three years.

    They have been asked to explain the appointment of the actively homosexual bishop, Gene Robinson and have in effect three years to get back into line or face possible expulsion.

    Several traditionalist churches have already broken relations with the American church to some degree, but tonight that split was formalised.

    An American bishop says it is possible the Church's liberal and traditional wings may now go their separate ways.

    But the Primate of Australia, Archbishop Peter Carnley, who is in Britain, says a split is not inevitable.

    "It's possible to disagree on theological points and ways of ordering the church without parting company," he said.

    "I think people find it very difficult to understand that Christians are able to do that.

    "We can talk to one another and stay together and enjoy a high level of fellowship, even while disagreeing about issues."
    Last edited by DanS; February 25, 2005, 11:40.
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    I can't help observing the situation with morbid fascination. The traditional denominations seem to be crumbling with rot, while the fanatical, deeply ignorant, Pentecostal style churches thrive.

    Poor old Christianity is starting to wear thin.
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    • #3
      The RCC is growing a lot in Africa. I guess that many traditional denominations are growing as well, including the Anglican church. It's not only the pentecostals.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #4
        Christianity seems to do well where ignorance is rife.
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        • #5
          There are many types of ignorance. I think it would be a mistake to use our narrow definition of ignorance as a yardstick to judge other people's religious beliefs.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bkeela
            Christianity seems to do well where ignorance is rife.
            What's the difference, again?

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            • #7
              The sort of ignorance I am thinking of is scientific ignorance. As the human mind is geared to find cause and effect in all things, it takes knowledge to understand that war, plague and famine are the result of natural factors, not the displeasure of a diety, or some voodoo curse. It takes even greater knowledge to grasp that life, and even the universe, might have sprung into existence without the intervention of a God.
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              • #8
                As I said, what's the difference?

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                • #9
                  /me ignores the stupid spam from Bkeela and Kuci

                  I'm curious who will blink first since it still seems that a real split isn't inevitable. The part I'm also interested in is how the various American churches respond to this especially the ones that follow established church doctrine and were rebelling against the appointment of Gene Robinson.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    * DinoDoc ignores the stupid spam from Bkeela and Kuci
                    Funny, then, that my posts are strangely reminiscent of yours...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bkeela
                      I can't help observing the situation with morbid fascination. The traditional denominations seem to be crumbling with rot, while the fanatical, deeply ignorant, Pentecostal style churches thrive.

                      Poor old Christianity is starting to wear thin.
                      Er, Orthodoxy's going strong, thank you. All that's happening is that the traditional Protestants, having lost the RCC as a plausible threat to unite and rebel against, have turned their revolutionary tactics inwards and devoured themselves. The Pentecostals, being themselves a rebellion against the traditional Protestants which began in the 1800s, are riding the same wave of rebellious spirituality that made Luther and Calvin huge around the time of the renaissance. Given the accelerating nature of historical trends, I give them about fifty years, tops, before they start to self-cannibalize too.

                      No, probably not even fifty years, they're an extremely venomous and virulent branch, and the "high churches" are dying out just as they're rising into their own as a rebellion. Give them a while and watch them disintegrate. I'm not worried, of course, because the public is clearly not tired of Christianity, they just get tired of the games we've been playing for four hundred years and change. Which means that the church that stands to gain the most is, what a surprise, my own. Yay.

                      I'll leave your customary condescension about primitive mud-man superstitions where it is. You folks will fight to the death to keep your facade of intellectual superiority, and there are better things to fight over.
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                      • #12
                        I have to say out all of all the Christians, I rather like the Catholics... nowadays as a group they tend to take themselves far less seriously. Nonetheless, haters digging their own graves, can't say I'll have a problem with that... and it will be good for those liberal Christians who, annoying theologies aside, have no problem with gay people, because they wont have to constantly be associated with the haters.
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                        • #13
                          I welcome the schism. I believe it's time for a new option for those of faith who have allowed their opinions of what is acceptable to evolve. Those who still disapprove can keep with their old church and more liberal members can go to the new one. Christianity survived the development of numerous sects and offshoots, what's one more?

                          I say this as a former Roman Catholic, now agnostic.

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                          • #14
                            Hmm, yet ANOTHER schism in Christianity- which one is this? #583 or so?

                            AFAIUI the new growing parts of the Anglican church are in more socially conservative parts of the world, like in Africa, where homosexuality is a complete taboo- no kidding that integrating these believers to believers in the US of one of the more moderate Christian sects, would not work very well.

                            Any attempt at some monolithich monotheist religion is bound to break up into a bunch of sects- nothing that can be done about it unless you can create some sort of theological orthodoxy and a mechanism for fiercely and streneously enforcing it at all costs- ain't going to happen.
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                            • #15
                              Bishop Robinson should never have been confirmed, not because he is gay, but because he is having sex outside of marriage. Bishops aren't supposed to be leading lives of sin. Now, all he needs to do, however, is bop across the border and get married in Ontario or Massachusetts. I do not think, however, that Episcopalians recognize gay marriage yet.

                              Now, if Robinson cares about his faith, he'll step down.

                              As an ex-Episcopalian, it saddens me to see the victory of bigotry in what is typically a rather liberal church.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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