Socialist landslide in Portugal!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
All the big "socialist" parties in Europe are center-left. The true socialists in Portugal are of course found within the BE (among them the portugese section of the Fourth International)

CDU

[Stefu]

What my good comrade Imran said, here. What this probably means is that privatizations and general market deregulation continue at a slower pace than usual. Or perhaps at a faster pace - the socialist parties of Europe of late have been odd that way.

And that's a good thing, too.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Spiffor

CDU

Stalinists aren´t real socialists... You could as well support the CIA backed loony maoists in MRPP

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


I know that, but it seems like some of my fellow Amis are thinking Lenin is coming to Portugal (a slight exaggeration)!

Well, in the US everyone slightly left of John Kerry is considered a Lenin in disguise...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
Stalinists aren´t real socialists... You could as well support the CIA backed loony maoists in MRPP

I seriously think they have dropped stalinism a long time ago. Heck, even we at the PCF dropped stalinism a few decades ago, and I reckon we were the smallest in western Europe

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
Well, in the US everyone slightly left of John Kerry is considered a Lenin in disguise...

You mean, slightly right of John Kerry, don't you? Didn't you know that Kerry is the demon-spawn of a fanatic Trotsky and a fanatic Che?

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Spiffor

I seriously think they have dropped stalinism a long time ago. Heck, even we at the PCF dropped stalinism a few decades ago, and I reckon we were the smallest in western Europe

Well, ex-stalinists are even worse. Their petty-bourgeois values laid bare for all to see. PCF is a good example, cooperating with Mitterands and Jospins so called "socialists". Join a real socialist party like the LCR

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
Well, ex-stalinists are even worse. Their petty-bourgeois values laid bare for all to see. PCF is a good example, cooperating with Mitterands and Jospins so called "socialists". Join a real socialist party like the LCR

Well, I think we have finally understood we shouldn't bend over to the Socialists, considering that our second alliance with them led us to a pathetic 3.5% (we got better now, with about 8%, which is still insufficient).

I would like to see a union between the PCF and the LCR, because we fundamentally share similar values, but we have a different strategy: The PCF tries to have some of its policies passed, and pays the prize of compromising with the evol socialists. The LCR can criticize to its hear's contents, but will never implement its policies.

If we could overcome this problem, we could seriosuly work together and become a political force much stronger than when divided.

[Zoid]

Spiffor, it would be hard, not to say impossible to merge LCR and PCF. There´s more than strategys that differ. Sometimes bigger isn´t better... But who knows, in the local elections of 2001 the LCR/LO/PT-slates contained dissatisfied PCF members in some towns and even official PCF sections...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Saras


You think? That's a good start

Try it out for yourself.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You're just trolling, right? Wealth in money is real as far as human society is concerned, even if it's nothing more than electrons. Wealth isn't just things, it's also obligations, and all of those obligations would disppear if the stock market crashed to zero, and that's a hell of a lot of wealth.

The question to ask is, if it's real wealth in the stock market, how could it all vanish in a puff of smoke? When the market goes up, where did the money in it come from? It's all just funny stuff.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Oerdin
To compare relative efficiencies of economic systems one could look at the relative prosparity of West Germany compared to East Germany or North Korea compared to South Korea. One system clearly out performs the other.

You have a problem explaining why DPRK was doing better than RoK up until the 1970s.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


You have a problem explaining why DPRK was doing better than RoK up until the 1970s.

A lot less trouble explaining it than you do proving it.

[Giancarlo]

a ****ing collapse of another country.. I thought was nice..

[Heresson]

Molly, You're being sillier than ever before.

And the gouverment would fall even if it didn't lie, simply because people are generally cowards.