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    Just before a bill to curb class-action lawsuits headed to President Bush for signing, Apple Computer was targeted in a class action.

    The lawsuit, which the new law won't affect, was filed Thursday in California Superior Court in San Francisco on behalf of consumers and resellers of Apple (nasdaq: AAPL - news - people ) products. It seeks to include in the consumer class any person in the U.S. who purchased Apple products or repair services since Jan. 1, 1995, except for someone affiliated with Apple or the lawsuit.

    The plaintiffs allege that Apple failed to fully honor service contracts and warranties, didn't get repair and service businesses properly licensed, stole trade secrets from its own resellers, and sold used computer equipment as new.

    They are charging Apple with Unlawful Business Practices, Misappropriation of Trade Secrets, Breach of Contract, and violations of the Consumers Legal Remedies Act and the Song Beverly [Consumer Warranty] Act.

    Apple could not be immediately reached for comment on the lawsuit.

    The legal team handling the case includes two lawyers, J. David Franklin and Alexander Schack, who in the early 90s represented consumers and dealers in lawsuits against wireless service providers. Schack says those suits have similarities to this case against Apple, and most of those suits were settled.

    The lawyers are also already representing several aggrieved current and former Apple-authorized resellers who have sued the company in separate actions.

    In one complaint, longtime Apple dealer Elite Computers & Software contends that Apple sold product in its in-house retail stores at a net loss--an 8% net loss in 2002, Elite figures--eliminating the "level playing field" Apple had promised would exist between independent resellers and Apple's own stores. Apple stores debuted in 2001. Apple's website lists 102 Apple-owned stores, 98 of them in the U.S.

    "When no-one else would look at Apple, we were there," says Elite founder Thomas Armes. "We were once Apple specialists and now we're legal specialists... We are welcoming any other interested parties that would like to discuss or possibly join our group." Armes runs the website www.tellonapple.org. He says his business had $20 million in sales in 2002 but that he has had to close all five of his stores.

    Other resellers are also going out of business, including Tom Santos, who shuttered his store, MACadam, in January after 16 years. Neighborhood Computer Store's Andrew Gold, who says he has sold Apple products for 25 years (Apple was incorporated in 1977), says his sales are off 80% since Apple opened its first store. "My days are pretty numbered," he says. Gold remains an authorized Apple dealer. Santos and Gold are also suing Apple.

    Meanwhile Apple sales have soared along with its stock, which has quadrupled in a year to $87.81 at yesterday's close. Apple, which makes the popular iPod music player, earned $276 million on sales of $8.3 billion last year.


    Well, at least they got in before the new law limiting class actions was passed. This stuff looks pretty bad for Apple. Especially if the claims that they refused to honor service contracts and warrenties is true. That could be a BIG hit to their PR.
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    Do you think Apple will lose even more professional markets with this?
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    • #3
      It doesn't have any of the professional market. It survives on hippies and university students but I repeat myself.
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      • #4
        It only takes a few bad Apples...

        Anecdotal evidence I have through my job and through my friends with Apple support has been awful as well.

        I also like how you get *1* free phone call with your iPod...interestingly, not unlike jail...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oerdin
          It doesn't have any of the professional market. I survives on hippies and universities but I repeat myself.
          Over here at least, Apple is quite present among journalists and designers.
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          • #6
            Like he said, hippies.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Asher
              It only takes a few bad Apples...

              Anecdotal evidence I have through my job and through my friends with Apple support has been awful as well.

              I also like how you get *1* free phone call with your iPod...interestingly, not unlike jail...
              Anecdotal evidence I got through friends as well that Mac support ain't that great.

              I wonder if this case will have a halting effect on the good times at Apple currently.

              Btw, this is also why I got my iPod+hp, so I get HP support, not Apple's.
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              • #8
                I thought HP was in trouble as well?
                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                • #9
                  Anecdotal evidence I got through friends as well that Mac support ain't that great.


                  That's nonsense. They are pretty good and consistently get voted the best. This reminds me of the ipod battery nonsense.

                  What this is really about is Apple's retail stores. They have been spectacularly successful and have forced some independent resellers out of existence. These people are pissed, and not without cause - many of them have supported Apple and sold its products for over 20 years.

                  All Apple's stores do free, walk-in support, which is better than I can say for other computer retailers.

                  Having said that, they haven't been good enough. Of the local mac resellers here, only two are really good. Far too often the people selling them have no idea.

                  Apple is opening a store in Toronto, but I'll still go to CPUsed for two reasons. It's a couple of blocks from my apartment, and the people there are really nice and knowledgeable.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #10
                    All Apple's stores do free, walk-in support, which is better than I can say for other computer retailers.


                    The Apple Store in Shinsaibashi is really good about it. My friend's taken his laptop there a couple times and has nothing but good things to say about the service. Then again, this is Japan, so that might skew the quality of service a little bit...
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                    • #11
                      The Apple Store in Shinsaibashi is really good about it. My friend's taken his laptop there a couple times and has nothing but good things to say about the service. Then again, this is Japan, so that might skew the quality of service a little bit...


                      From what I've read it's the same in N. America. The only problem is that the "genius" bars get so overwhelmed that some stores are having to book appointments.

                      Working in the stores in the LA area is supposed to be cool. You get to help movie stars with their powerbook problems and get to see all their pr0n.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #12
                        Anecdotal evidence is... well... anecdotal. A friend of mine had a problem with his Dell laptop: the touchpad didn't work properly. He called Dell. Their answer? Sorry, we can't help you. Crap service! But is that representative of Dell service? It seems not: it seems that Dell clients are satisfied, overall, with Dell's service. Except the outsourcing fiasco, when Indians who barely spoke english answered the phone... Of course, my friend won't buy Dell, ever again. The next one will be a Toshiba, or so he told me. Can't argue with that.
                        Last edited by Nostromo; February 20, 2005, 18:45.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Agathon
                          Working in the stores in the LA area is supposed to be cool. You get to help movie stars with their powerbook problems and get to see all their pr0n.
                          My sister's boyfriend worked in an LA Apple store, and now in a SoHo branch, and he would concur.

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                          • #14
                            Anecdotal evidence is... well... anecdotal.


                            Yep. Both Apple and Dell tend to score well in surveys about customer service.
                            Only feebs vote.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nostromo
                              The next one will be a Toshiba, or so he told me. Can't argue with that.
                              Toshiba has been recommended to me by the computer techs where I work.

                              BTW: I hate class action law suits. I can predict right now what this case will settle for:

                              Apple will agree to pay plaintiff's legal fees, which will be somewhere in seven figures. The class members will get coupons giving them a discount on the next Apple products they purchase.

                              You heard it here first.

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