New Proof of Human Effect on Climate Change.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Kuci, regardless of this particular study, it is well established that humans have had an enormous effect on environmental change in the past 200,000 years.

There's a difference between micro and macro effects. Only a complete idiot, and yes, I know there are many, would deny we have an impact in limited areas. What they deny is our impact on a global scale. They have soemthing of a point (of course, we're a global species and if we effect everywhere on the micro level, we've done it on a macro level). What this study does is say, only these models "of unknown validity" match the real world data. Incidentally, that would be what it takes to validate the models.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Again, the only thing in the entire thread that I've said is that the article is very low on facts and justification.

And yet it claims distinct victory over any other theories, I knew there was a reason why Aggie liked it so much.

[Agathon]

And yet it claims distinct victory over any other theories, I knew there was a reason why Aggie liked it so much.

You can wait for the paper to come out. This is just them announcing what they have discovered. This is the norm in science.

Of course the fact that they are respectable scientists counts for nothing with you.

You can wait until the paper comes out to be officially pwned.

[Boris Godunov]

Why do conservatives hate the Earth so much?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Agathon

And yet it claims distinct victory over any other theories, I knew there was a reason why Aggie liked it so much.

You can wait for the paper to come out. This is just them announcing what they have discovered. This is the norm in science.

Of course the fact that they are respectable scientists counts for nothing with you.

You can wait until the paper comes out to be officially pwned.

Naah I'm just observing the behavior seems bizzarly similar.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Odin


The hell if it is; the people who think it was climate need to get a brain, the megafauna survived many previous glacials. that they disappear the same time people arrive is too much to be coincidence. I think these people just don't want to put the myth of the noble savage at one with nature to rest.

But there arent that many archaeologically documented megafauna kills. IIUC the current theory is that the megafauna were stressed by climate change, but this time the presence of human hunters pressed them over the edge. IIUC there are mathematical models showing that a small amount of hunting can have a huge effect on an already stressed population.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Why do conservatives hate the Earth so much?

theyre afraid it will be used to get them to do stuff they dont wanna do - kinda like liberals and Kurds

Did you see the thing i posted awhile back on neocons driving hybrid cars? Of course theyre not REAL conservatives.

[Agathon]

Why do conservatives hate the Earth so much?

Because they love dominating things to cover up their sexual inadequacies.

This time it's global warming; last time WMDs. It must hurt for them to be so wrong, so often.

[Agathon]

The real reason is that government action is the only way to deal with such problems.

More frighteningly for them international governance is required to deal with this specific problem, which will render them subject to international law, which they hate.

The amusing thing is that it is going to happen whether they like it or not.

[Last Conformist]

Nah. We could just throw a nuclear war and pretty much forget about the whole global warming thing.

[Japher]

The experts agree: Humans may or may not be responsible for global warming... let's have a nuclear war

[Whoha]

Re: New Proof of Human Effect on Climate Change.

Originally posted by Agathon
The present trend of warmer sea temperatures, which have risen by an average of half a degree Celsius (0.9F) over the past 40 years, can be explained only if greenhouse gas emissions are responsible, new research has revealed.

ok, how about there is a **** load of stuff we don't understand about the environment(and well everything), which is why we can't make a valid climate model?

[Agathon]

Perhaps, but what we do know points to us.

There's no excuse for standing around holding our nobs. The energy pigs will have to be stopped. And that means you, Canada!

[chequita guevara]

Re: Re: New Proof of Human Effect on Climate Change.

Originally posted by Whoha
ok, how about there is a **** load of stuff we don't understand about the environment(and well everything), which is why we can't make a valid climate model?

Except for one little ole thing y'all are fergettin'. If reality matches the model, it's a valid model.

[Kuciwalker]

Not true at all. Our ability to measure reality is limited.