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How was this Honduran batallion Negroponte's? Was he in it? Did he raise it? Did he command it?Originally posted by Ramo
What the INS says about Negroponte's Batallion 3-16:He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
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How was this Honduran batallion Negroponte's? Was he in it? Did he raise it? Did he command it?
We know that Negroponte was responsible for the disbursement of military aid to Honduras including Batallion 3-16 et al., and was responsible for covering up their atrocities. So at best, he was criminally negligent regarding the Batallion; at worst, who knows. Incidentally, when he was announced as an appointee to the UN Ambassadorship, the Bush Admin immediately deported several former members of the death squad (including the founder of the batallion, Gen. Alvir, who was Honduras' Deputy Ambassador to the UN at the time) who could've elaborated on Negroponte's relationship to it with the Senate.Last edited by Ramo; February 18, 2005, 09:06."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Bush or Machiavalli? You decide.Originally posted by Ramo
How was this Honduran batallion Negroponte's? Was he in it? Did he raise it? Did he command it?
We know that Negroponte was responsible for the disbursement of military aid to Honduras including Batallion 3-16 et al., and was responsible for covering up their atrocities. So at best, he was criminally negligent regarding the Batallion; at worst, who knows. Incidentally, when he was announced as an appointee to the UN Ambassadorship, the Bush Admin immediately deported several former members of the death squad (including the founder of the batallion, Gen. Alvir, who was Honduras' Deputy Ambassador to the UN at the time) who could've elaborated on Negroponte's relationship to it with the Senate.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
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I'm sure Bush is worse than Machiavelli in Ramo's world...KH FOR OWNER!
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Bush or Machiavalli? You decide.
Deporting someone who could testify on your nominee to the UN Ambassadorship's relation to a death squad hardly takes a political genius. And for all his faults, Shrub is an effective politician.
To clarify, in '94 the Honduras Human Rights Commission charged Negroponte with a number of human rights violations.Last edited by Ramo; February 18, 2005, 10:05."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Aside from the general stupidity of creating a NID, this is rather ho hum.
This position like teh creation of Homeland Security Director is a position destined for failure as this position simply creates yet another filtering level of bueracracy when every shred of evidence says the problem was analysis of data, not layers of management. The ability to share intel inter-departmentally does not IMO require the establishment of an Uber beuracrat."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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No it wasn't. There were plenty of Feds lower down who were railing to high heaven about the threat. It was that the guy running the FBI decided that illegal drugs were a more serious threat than terrorism, and so he didn't put that many resources or attention into anti-terrorism. Under Clinton, they're number one guy routinely had to go around Freeh's head to Reno to get anything done. After Reno was gone, so was his career, so he left to become chief of security at the WTC. He died on 9/11.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
when every shred of evidence says the problem was analysis of data, not layers of management.
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So your saying layers of bueracracy filtered the threat analysis down to a low hum below the need for a useless war on drugs ehhh?Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No it wasn't. There were plenty of Feds lower down who were railing to high heaven about the threat. It was that the guy running the FBI decided that illegal drugs were a more serious threat than terrorism, and so he didn't put that many resources or attention into anti-terrorism. Under Clinton, they're number one guy routinely had to go around Freeh's head to Reno to get anything done. After Reno was gone, so was his career, so he left to become chief of security at the WTC. He died on 9/11.
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Thats my read as well.
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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I'd say you need to read the 2nd link.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Its teh same old same old. The various intel agencies aren't free with their info and/or individual agencies need reform. That being said the reason teh agencies themselves were broken is because the command chain didn't prioritize analysis of threats. Having a longer chain of so called decision makers does not improve the threat assessment but moreover implies analysis paralysis.
The need to have freerer intel sharing between agencies does not have to mandate the creation of a NID, IMO but moreso calls for massive rehauls of the structure and intent of FBI, CIA etc.. But when that happens ala Porter Goss the only things mentioned are that it is retribution/vendetta time not in the context of overhaul (at least so says McCain)."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Fifteen intelligence agencies? Is that normal?Comment
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Negroponte = blackpoint ?Comment
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