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    Human Fossils Dated to 195,000 Years


    By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer

    NEW YORK - A new analysis of bones unearthed nearly 40 years ago in Ethiopia has pushed the fossil record of modern humans back to nearly 200,000 years ago — perhaps close to the dawn of the species.


    Researchers determined that the specimens are around 195,000 years old. Previously, the oldest known fossils of Homo sapiens were Ethiopian skulls dated to about 160,000 years ago.


    Genetic studies estimate that Homo sapiens arose about 200,000 years ago, so the new research brings the fossil record more in line with that, said John Fleagle of Stony Brook University in New York, an author of the study.


    The fossils were found in 1967 near the Omo River in southwestern Ethiopia. One location yielded Omo I, which includes part of a skull plus skeletal bones. Another site produced Omo II, which has more of a skull but no skeletal bones. Neither specimen has a complete face.


    Although Omo II shows more primitive characteristics than Omo I, scientists called both specimens Homo sapiens and assigned a tentative age of 130,000 years.


    Now, after visiting the discovery sites, analyzing their geology and testing rock samples with more modern dating techniques, Fleagle and colleagues report in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature that both specimens are 195,000 years old, give or take 5,000 years.


    Fleagle said the more primitive traits of Omo II may mean the two specimens came from different but overlapping Homo sapiens populations, or that they just represent natural variation within a single population.


    To find the age of the skulls, the researchers determined that volcanic rock lying just below the sediment that contained the fossils was about 196,000 years old. They then found evidence that the fossil-bearing sediment was deposited soon after that time.


    Paul Renne, director of the Berkeley Geochronology Center, which specializes in dating rocks, said the researchers made "a reasonably good argument" to support their dating of the fossils.


    "It's more likely than not," he said, calling the work "very exciting and important."


    Rick Potts, director of the Human Origins Program at the Smithsonian Institution (news - web sites)'s National Museum of Natural History, said he considered the case for the new fossil ages "very strong." The work suggests that "we're right on the cusp of where the genetic evidence says the origin of modern humans ... should be," he said.


    G. Philip Rightmire, a paleoanthropologist at Binghamton University in New York, said he believes the Omo fossils show Homo sapiens plus a more primitive ancestor. The find appears to represent the aftermath of the birth of Homo sapiens, when it was still living alongside its ancestral species, he said.

  • #2
    It's nice when a paleoanthropologic find fits our expectations, for once.
    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

    It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
    The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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    • #3
      Of course, this will turn soon into another evolution vs. creationism debate.....
      Blah

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      • #4
        God will smite you if you argue in favor of evolution. Look at Darwin, the guy's frickin' dead. Beware.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          But I'll be more impressed when they find evidence of prehistoric cars

          "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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          • #6
            I'm fed up with this freedom of conscience ****. Why not just make creationism a criminal offense?
            Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

            It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
            The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Last Conformist
              It's nice when a paleoanthropologic find fits our expectations, for once.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Asher
                God will smite you if you argue in favor of evolution. Look at Darwin, the guy's frickin' dead. Beware.
                Are you channeling Ben?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Odin


                  I was making a jocular reference to the fact that models of human evolution have repeatedly been destroyed or modified by new fossil finds with unexpected features. This find seems to fit current theory beautifully; a primitive-looking H. sapiens just where expect to find the first members of our species.
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                  It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                  The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                  • #10
                    It's nice when a paleoanthropologic find fits our expectations, for once.
                    It wasn't much fun in the past, when all the paleoanthropologic finds were still alive, rather than dead as we expected.

                    Zombie Fossils.
                    "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Last Conformist

                      I was making a jocular reference to the fact that models of human evolution have repeatedly been destroyed or modified by new fossil finds with unexpected features. This find seems to fit current theory beautifully; a primitive-looking H. sapiens just where expect to find the first members of our species.

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                      • #12
                        the world is 6000 years old... this is all leftist/liberal lies
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sava
                          the world is 6000 years old... this is all leftist/liberal lies
                          That's leftist/liberal/libertarian/social darwinist/nazist lies, to you, young man!
                          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sava
                            the world is 6000 years old... this is all leftist/liberal lies
                            Define year!
                            The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.

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                            • #15
                              This is too neat, I tell you
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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