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  • #16
    'What does the saying, "1 Shot, 1 Kill, No remorse, I Decide" actually mean and where did it come from?

    A: In the Vietnam War, the military's emphasis on individual marksmanship skills had diminished and it was discovered that 10,000 rounds of ammunition were expended by regular troops for every enemy casualty incurred.

    However, the snipers expended roughly 1.3 rounds for every enemy casualty incurred, hence the term "1 Shot, 1 Kill".

    Covert surveillance and precision fire is the sniper's specialty and one could refer to the sniper as the "laser guided bomb of the infantry". Likewise, the American law enforcement sniper is expected to produce no collateral injury to innocents and therefore do not spray fire indiscriminately around American neighborhoods.

    A sniper has to be in total control of his emotions as his job is one of the most stressful in the military (and police) service. He is often operating alone or with a single partner and often on the front or behind enemy lines. To be overly remorseful about his mission would compromise his safety and that of the people he is sworn to protect. Decisions based upon emotions, rather than upon rational, correct thought in these situations can cause casualties or death. Hence the term "No Remorse".

    To IMMEDIATELY stop an insurgent or terrorist from shooting his fellow servicemen or to keep a maniac from drawing a knife across a child's throat, requires that the sniper destroy the terrorist / suspect's central nervous system. Destroying the central nervous system of a human being almost always results in the death of that same person. However, it also saves the life of the innocent and this is why the sniper does what he does. To save innocent lives. To do this requires a precision rifle shot under tremendous pressure and stress on the part of the sniper.

    Due to the fact that the sniper must often operate alone, it is he himself who decides when, where, why and how he will fire his rifle. Normally, there is no commander telling him it is okay for him to shoot now. Time frames in combat and hostage situations are much too compressed for this type of supervisory control and the sniper is expected to make these types of decisions on his own. This is also why sniper schools in the military and law enforcement are so arduous and only the best and most mature soldiers, sailors, marines and police officers are picked for the assignment. Decision making skills are just as important as marksmanship and the sniper himself must decide if it is logical and correct to fire his rifle.
    Hence the term "I Decide".

    The sniper may just as well choose NOT to fire if there are friendly or civilians present and the act of firing would make a bad situation worse. Snipers in both the military and law enforcement are often mature, family men and have no interest in harming those who are not an immediate danger to themselves or others.

    The title sniper is an honorary one and whether he (or she) be a military or police sniper, the title should not be granted to murderers such as Charles Whitman or the more recent John Mohammad and John Malvo. '
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Japher
      How stupid... If I were going to adopt a sniper I would at least want them to write me letters and draw me pictures!
      That's what I thought of when I saw the thread title... "Dear loinburger, today I shot some guys, thanks for sending me cookies, love, your sniper buddy."
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      • #18
        That's truly disturbing.

        What they should be doing is adopting one of them Susie Q's..
        In da butt.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Max Webster


          Are you saying the Number One army from the Number One country in the world can't even equip its own troops?
          'Q: Why isn't the government buying these things?

          A: The commitment in OEF/OIF is huge. Snipers need different and expensive gear than is required by many other troops. This can cause problems when the military tries to maintain a perfectly uniform dress code and the snipers end up doing without. The logistics of running the US military are staggering and snipers are just one small spoke in a very big wheel. We just try and relieve some of the burden from the snipers themselves and also from their families.'
          "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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          • #20
            Adopt a humvee... and give it armor!
            Monkey!!!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by SpencerH


              I think it's pretty obvious, pookie!
              Really? Because all I see is an ignorant attempt to morally equate two completely inequivalent causes.
              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
              Stadtluft Macht Frei
              Killing it is the new killing it
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Max Webster


                Are you saying the Number One army from the Number One country in the world can't even equip its own troops?
                Without knowing the details its hard to say, but I can say that troops in irregular units can have a lot of leeway in the equipment they use while in the bush. Its not uncommon for troopers to buy and use better equipment than the stuff that's regular issue.
                We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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                • #23
                  It's so ironic

                  'we are helping snipers and their families by giving heart medicine pills and proper rash protecting undies'. This is still pretty logical. But then it gets to hyper gear with:

                  "1 Shot 1 Kill No Remorse I Decide."

                  These weenie beenies should stop masturbating to murderdeathkill and go to the ****ing army. Nuttin' but *****es.
                  In da butt.
                  "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                  THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                  "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by loinburger

                    That's what I thought of when I saw the thread title... "Dear loinburger, today I shot some guys, thanks for sending me cookies, love, your sniper buddy."
                    "My name is Sgt. Ben xxxxxx, sniper section leader with xxxxxxx, currently deployed to Iraq. I came upon your article in the Stars and Stripes and wanted to thank you for your support and dedication to helping fellow snipers. I deployed to Afghanistan with the xxxxxx as a sniper and we had great support from our chain of command as far as equipment. Upon arriving, the unit had no sniper section. So upon graduation from sniper school at Ft. Benning GA class 01-04 I started one up from scratch. We do have M-24's, and M-14's that are not in the best condition but serviceable. Most other mission essential equipment came out of our own pockets. I was wondering if you have any spotting scopes, Bow Flage, spray point, or old BDU’s you could donate to us. I have 3 teams who are all qualified but just don’t have the equipment they need. Any donations would be greatly appreciated sir.
                    On behalf of all the soldiers and snipers currently deployed I thank you for your support and God Bless this great Nation of ours.

                    One Shot, One Kill.

                    Sincerely, Sgt. Ben xxxxxxxx
                    Army"


                    Plenty of other letters on the website.
                    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Pekka
                      It's so ironic

                      'we are helping snipers and their families by giving heart medicine pills and proper rash protecting undies'. This is still pretty logical. But then it gets to hyper gear with:

                      "1 Shot 1 Kill No Remorse I Decide."

                      These weenie beenies should stop masturbating to murderdeathkill and go to the ****ing army. Nuttin' but *****es.
                      "Who are We?

                      We are active local, state, and federal police snipers as well as snipers from the various military branches.

                      We are a tight-knit group that believes strongly in supporting our brothers that are deployed to the front lines. In return for that support, they then pass on their gained knowledge upon their return.

                      We work hard and believe in our missions.

                      We train hard so that when the time comes, we can accomplish our missions to the fullest of our abilities.

                      We are snipers that need support in the form of advanced gear as well as "creature comfort" items to help us pass the time while we are away from our jobs and our families.

                      We are the ones putting our lives on the line to help keep this great country safe and free from terrorism. We are your sons, your brothers, your husbands, your fathers, as well as your friends.

                      We invite you to directly support the effort of those that are going in harms way on your behalf."
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by lord of the mark


                        'Q: Why isn't the government buying these things?

                        A: The commitment in OEF/OIF is huge. Snipers need different and expensive gear than is required by many other troops. This can cause problems when the military tries to maintain a perfectly uniform dress code and the snipers end up doing without. The logistics of running the US military are staggering and snipers are just one small spoke in a very big wheel. We just try and relieve some of the burden from the snipers themselves and also from their families.'
                        That still doesn't make any sense. If snipers are going to be part of the military, then the military should be able to provide them with their equipment, irregular or not. If the military isn't providing the right equipment or not enough of it, I'd say it's a big problem and not one that troops should have to make up for out of their own pocket.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Max Webster
                          Are you saying the Number One army from the Number One country in the world can't even equip its own troops?
                          I believe this charity wasn't to equip anyone. Instead it was to buy extra girfts probably things like personal hygene supplies, magazines, books, etc... Things which can be difficult to find in Iraq.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #28
                            Incidentally, how does shooting people in Iraq keep America free and protect it from terrorists?
                            "On this ship you'll refer to me as idiot, not you captain!"
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                            • #29
                              If your shooting a jehadist then your making the whole world better. It's much like shooting a Nazi.
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Kontiki


                                That still doesn't make any sense. If snipers are going to be part of the military, then the military should be able to provide them with their equipment, irregular or not. If the military isn't providing the right equipment or not enough of it, I'd say it's a big problem and not one that troops should have to make up for out of their own pocket.
                                who said there werent big problems?
                                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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