Mozilla - IE: Apolyton (Continuing) Stats

[Colonâ„¢]

Made the switch from IE to Netscape due to the latter's tabbed browsing and the fact that whilst it may crash just as often, it at least doesn't take the whole of windows with it in its downfall. Switched to Firefox from Netscape because the latter scoured memory like mad.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by Solver
Can't imagine seeing you use IE, Locutus .

Why not, what's wrong with IE? I know everyone loves to hate MS products, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily all bad. If you don't like tabbed browsing like me, IE + Google toolbar was until recently pretty much on par with all other major browsers...

Heck, I still have it installed, in case I ever regret my choice of switching to Firefox (which I did only a few days ago).

[VetLegion]

You don't want to get into a pissing contest about customization with Opera

Originally posted by Locutus
Firefox has only 1, see below. That is, with tabbed browsing disabled (it's a standard feature, but I disabled it as tabbed browsing is an abomination, no matter what everyone else says), otherwise it's 2. And from the looks of it, it has more functionality in that one row as well...

You mean, it's the same. But can you remove the basic menu in Firefox (File, ..., Help)? You can in Opera.

By the way, I agree that tabbed browsing sucks as a concept.

Who cares about how much diskspace a browser takes these days, or even how much memory it eats?

Diskspace is not so important, perhaps only as one indication that the software is well written.

But RAM is a big problem, especially with tabbed browsing.

The thing that made me switch to Firefox after 10 years of being a very satisfied IE customer (yes, I was actually happy with it, or happier than with the competitors anyway), is AdBlock. It rules! Opera's filter.ini doesn't even remotely compare to it.

Could be. I played with filter.ini a little but wasn't very happy with results so I don't use it now. I see Apolyton's adds

Another killer feature is the search box: a single box from which you can search with one of over a 1,000 search engines if you want, from Google to Merriam-Webster, from IMDB to Isohunt. Really cleans up your favourites list, I can tell you...

If I want to search Amazon in Opera, I type "z keyword" in the address bar, if I want to search IMDB I type "i keyword", Google is "g keyword" and so on... Opera also has a search box but I have it disabled since this is simpler.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by VetLegion
You don't want to get into a pissing contest about customization with Opera

No, I want a browser that gives me what I want; nothing more, nothing less For me, Firefox works best.

You mean, it's the same. But can you remove the basic menu in Firefox (File, ..., Help)?

I don't know, actually. But why on earth would I want to? I need those from time to time... (Well, maybe not Help, but all the other ones I do)

By the way, I agree that tabbed browsing sucks as a concept.

Thank Sid there are some sensible people left in this world

But RAM is a big problem, especially with tabbed browsing.

Never noticed any RAM problems with any browser myself (well, the Netscape on my uni's Unix systems runs pretty crappy, but that might be a configuration problem). But of course I don't use tabbed browsing

Could be. I played with filter.ini a little but wasn't very happy with results so I don't use it now. I see Apolyton's adds

I haven't seen any ads whatsoever in days And when I do accidentally encounter an add, it can usually be permanently removed with a single click (two clicks if I'm unlucky).

You really ought to give FireFox + AdBlock a try I can certainly understand if you prefer Opera but you simply must have seen this in action, if only for the sake of it -- it's brilliant! It convinced a deep-rooted conservative IE fanboy like myself to switch to Firefox. That's no small accomplishment, I can assure you

[Solver]

Why not, what's wrong with IE? I know everyone loves to hate MS products, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily all bad. If you don't like tabbed browsing like me, IE + Google toolbar was until recently pretty much on par with all other major browsers...

I am definitely not a MS hater, but I don't think IE was on par lately. It might be just me, but I tend to see a lot of crashes for IE when it's running on a system that's on for quite some time. It lacks several feautures that I like, most notably tabbed browsing (yes, I do like it), pop-up blocking and a search box - Google toolbar's decent, but it takes an extra row. IE also doesn't have a download manager that can, at the very least, pause and resume a download.

Finally, there are all those IE security holes that allow tons of spyware and sometimes worse stuff to get in. Yes, there are patches, yes, there are options to turn off ActiveX and whatnot, but it is a hassle, while other browsers have always been somewhat more secure with the default settings.

[Adagio]

The only problem I have with IE is security holes that invites all spyware that exists to get installed on the computer...
I don't care much for tabbed browsing... I use it, but I can live without it... With the newest service pack, there is a popup blocker, don't know how good it is though... but search boxes in browsers are the worst thing ever... it was more annoying than usefull, so I turned it off in Firefox
When I come to a computer with any toolbar (specially the google toolbar) I always turns it off (or uninstalls it, depending on how much I have to say about the computer)

[Hueij]

Just what we need. A pissing contest between Opera and Firefox users...

[Solver]

Oh, and Firefox is more customizable than Opera. Firefox is open source, Opera is not. Therefore, Firefox customization is not limited at all, except for your own skills .

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Hueij
Oh... I thought you meant major platforms.

The Mac has ~4% desktop market, and so does Linux worldwide. So it's as major as the Mac

[St Leo]

My current Opera 8.0 Beta layout. I could get rid of a few buttons like Back and Forward that I never use, but then other people wouldn't be able to use my computer at all.

[MarkG]

first 51 hours of january

IE 58.3%
Mozilla 30.7%


looks like mozilla will hit a clear 30% this month!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by St Leo
My current Opera 8.0 Beta layout. I could get rid of a few buttons like Back and Forward that I never use, but then other people wouldn't be able to use my computer at all.

:vomit:

[Alex]

Ugh, I decided to install the AdBlock extension to Firefox, but... Do I really have to right-click on all ads that I want to block and choose Adblock "this"? This is quickly becoming tedious and tiresome.

Am I doing something wrong?

[Kassiopeia]

Tools -> Adblock -> Preferences

You can add filters that filter out content originating from certain addresses. For instance, "http://ad.inet.fi/*" filters out anything that starts with that snippet. The * is used to mean "anything of any length goes here to match". I've modify the filters as I've went, and now pretty much anything is filtered out. Save for http://apolyton.net/ads/*, naturally.

[Agathon]

The Mac has ~4% desktop market, and so does Linux worldwide. So it's as major as the Mac

Yep. And Linux is growing fast. Unless MS does something major for XP users, IE will lose its dominant position.

My mother is now a Firefox user.