Civil Disobedience Gone Bad

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
btw, your brother acted correctly.

No, he didn't. He should have called it a day after people started to act aggressively.

But I know exactly what type of personality this is. I lived with one for 18 years.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
1, 2, and 3 in no way warrant an arrest.

He was disturbing the peace. If he wants to protest marine recruiting drives at the mall, ask for a goddamned permit.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
1, 2, and 3 in no way warrant an arrest.

My brother did refuse to leave when the mall told him to. That is trespassing.

[Nubclear]

However if the cops violated their own code, then they acted improperly. This seems pretty common sense to me...

Brother instigated it in front of a marine. Given how marines are brainwashed, he really should not have expected the situation to end peacefully. He shouldn't act surprised that it didn't.
Conclusion: He's an idiot in this situation.

The police violated their own rules. When you violate your own rules, you just violated your own rules. No room for argument.
Conclusion: The cops acted improperly.

The marine, instead of choosing to have a nice and constructive debate attempted to resolve the situation using violence.
Conclusion: He's a marine.

Everyone has their own little piece in this situation.
The brother for instigating it.
The marine for responding to it improperly
The police for violating their own rules.

Sorry JohnT, but just because the brother didn't like the marines hardly means he's soley to blame.
Stop trying to politicise it.

[Harry Tuttle]

OK, OK, was this a "discussion" or a "screaming match"? In a mall by the way. Were their voices loud? There's a difference between a spirited discussion and a potentially violent scene.

[Nubclear]

Its my understanding that the brother was being civil.
If not, then he might have violated the law and he's more of an idiot than before.

[Lorizael]

My brother never yelled until the police officer began to abuse him. And then he was yelling for his constitutional rights to be upheld.

The marines, however, did yell at him. A lot.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


So having an opinion and standing up for yourself is a bad thing?

We live in a nation of laws, not one-man justice squads who make on the spot decisions on whether someone is a "trouble maker"

Of course having an opinion and standing up for yourself necessarily makes one a trouble maker, which is the whole problem.

There is this thing called manners, in which the guiding principle is "to each in its proper place." His brother was ill-mannered, rude, and purposefully creating a scene with a crowd full of unwilling participants who, frankly, didn't want to deal with it.

So, yes, in certain situations "having an opinion and standing up for yourself is a bad thing."

[JohnT]

Stop trying to politicise it.

I'm not trying to politicize the situation, my reasoning about mannered behaviour stands regardless of the situation.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by JohnT
There is this thing called manners, in which the guiding principle is "to each in its proper place." His brother was ill-mannered, rude, and purposefully creating a scene with a crowd full of unwilling participants who, frankly, didn't want to deal with it.

So, yes, in certain situations "having an opinion and standing up for yourself is a bad thing."

Well according to Lorizael, who is the person actually telling the story, his brother wasn't the one who was ill-mannered and rude, it was the marine.

Why didn't the cop tackle the marine for picking a fight and making a scene? I mean, he wasn't even the recruiter, he was some guy who overheard the discussion and started yelling and making threats.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

No, he didn't. He should have called it a day after people started to act aggressively.

But I know exactly what type of personality this is. I lived with one for 18 years.

stupididty isnt a reason for arrest

He was disturbing the peace. If he wants to protest marine recruiting drives at the mall, ask for a goddamned permit.

dont need a permit if you plan to protest with less than 25 people. or do you want to make dissent also illegal?

My brother did refuse to leave when the mall told him to. That is trespassing.

only if they present a letter of trespass. get a clue

[KrazyHorse]

They did, in about line 25.

[JohnT]

Well according to Lorizael, who is the person actually telling the story, his brother wasn't the one who was ill-mannered and rude, it was the marine.

His brother was the one who was ill-mannered and rude because he's the one who purposefully put himself in a situation where he was purposefully antagonizing people he didn't agree with in a social situation where such things are frowned upon.

Hell, he wouldn't get away with this crap in a bar, why should he get away with this behaviour at the mall?

[KrazyHorse]

"stupididty isnt a reason for arrest"

Never said it was. Doesn't mean it isn't "wrong"

[Lawrence of Arabia]

There is this thing called manners, in which the guiding principle is "to each in its proper place." His brother was ill-mannered, rude, and purposefully creating a scene with a crowd full of unwilling participants who, frankly, didn't want to deal with it.

So, yes, in certain situations "having an opinion and standing up for yourself is a bad thing."

so he has the right to threaten him? NOPE wrong again. and maybe you think everyone should be IN THEIR PROPER PLACE, but you have no right to enforce your morality on others, and no right to tell them what their proper place is.