Diada? (Jay Bee)

[Jay Bee]

Point taken, Marquis, but the vast majority of Basques with Castilian names whom I was referring to are actually the sons and grandsons of Castilian/Andalusian/Galician/etc people who migrated to the Basque country in this century. Pure blood (whatever that means) Basques call them 'maketos'. I do not have the numbers here but 'maketos' comprise a very significant percent of the basque population. Continuous mixing of the groups of people living in different parts of the peninsula is a historical constant.

[Kurgan]

I have a friend here that says (he is from Bilbao) and he tells me that the people with mixture of blood (maketos) could be 70%, that would not be strange, you do not only find Castilian names in the Basque Country (some of them have been there for centuries), but you find millions of people with Basque names in the rest of Spain. This friend is telling me right now that Garcia in its origins was a Basque name, and trust me Garcia is a very very very common name in Spain as a whole.

[Jay Bee]

Hey Kurg, tell your friend to join us asap!

PS. Very long shot: is his name Eduardo perhaps?

PPS. Garcia is pretty common even in California

[Kurgan]

No his name is not Eduardo, and I do not know if you will belive this, but it is safer for him that nobody knows his name. The Basque Country is a very small place, and if someone who knows him there and have different opinions reads here things that they do not like, maybe they can try to hurt him.

[Waku]

Originally posted by Kurgan
No his name is not Eduardo, and I do not know if you will belive this, but it is safer for him that nobody knows his name. The Basque Country is a very small place, and if someone who knows him there and have different opinions reads here things that they do not like, maybe they can try to hurt him.

Some people should read this just to see where is the real oppresion.

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Originally posted by Kurgan
...we should say that the only nationalist movement valid in its arguments will be the Movement for the freedom of Cromagnons.¿ Any one of those around?

Alas, the nationalist creates a convenient beginning point to his selected preferences...

My two personal anecdotes were contrary to the point I was making earlier. Altho in my family these names are not telling of ethnicity, this was not to say that that is the general rule - only that such exceptions should not be considered uncommon. Of course, there exists a whole spectrum of possibilities. I would guess that the typical person could not possibly be "purely" of any stock, however that is defined. At some point, either outsiders joined the family, or the particular ethnicity loses any definition in order to accomodate a widening variety of origins.

That a certain blood type tells of heritage is interesting, but far from foolproof. Take Etruscan noses as another example.

[alf]

Quién se acuerda de algo que escribió Unbamuno o Pio Baroja que decÃa maomeno "el nacionalismo se cura viajando y el fanatismo(?) leyendo?"

[Jay Bee]

Que grandisima verdad es esa (lo de la primera parte). Antonio Machado tambien escribio algo en ese sentido. Si lo encuentro lo posteo. La pena es que a *ellos* les resbala

[alf]

pues arzallus ha estado en alemania... je,je,je quizá lo de los viajes tenga un efecto contrario, este debió pillar al gen medio debil del nazismo, por allÃ

[Fiera]

Originally posted by alf
Quién se acuerda de algo que escribió Unbamuno o Pio Baroja que decÃa maomeno "el nacionalismo se cura viajando y el fanatismo(?) leyendo?"

Baroja escribió que "el carlismo se cura leyendo". Lo del nacionalismo se cura viajando no sé quien fue el primero en decirlo, se ha repetido mucho...

Ambas son verdad, aunque Arzalluz haya estado en China. Porque Arzalluz sabe que lo que predica no es verdad. ¿No sacó a sus hijos a estudiar fuera del PaÃs Vasco, por ejemplo?

[Waku]

Originally posted by Fiera
"el carlismo se cura leyendo"

ETA es en buena medida una continuación del carlismo.

[Fiera]

Edit: lo siento, la hora del foro nos está jugando malas pasadas otra vez.

[Fiera]

No solo ETA, el "bizkairretismo" o nacionalismo vasco en general. Arana era un carlista que se quedó sin movimiento al que seguir, y se sacó de la manga el nacionalismo.

[alf]

su padre... él resentido

[yaroslav]

E incluso antes del carlismo. He leido a varios autores que la primera raiz del nacionalismo vasco esta en la "pureza de sangre". Algunos vascos a partir del siglo XVI, presumian mucho de eso que se llamaba "cristiano viejo".