Diada? (Jay Bee)

[Kurgan]

Hi Jay, as you can see I have accepted your invitation. I have read again what I said about the Diada, and I said nothing specifically about that. I only meant that nowadays nobody is suffering any prosecution in Cataluña (maybe Spanish speakers right now, if you read Spanish, or Catalonian (La Vanguardia)newspapers you will see that is very difficult to study in Spanish over there). What I can not stand from people that do not have problems and live in democratic countries (the autonomic statute is the most advanced in Europe) is that they really do not have the guts to do something to achieve independence if they want it so bad, and I do not mean violence, but quite the opposite, I mean the way of Ghandi, sit down and do not move a finger until a referendum about independence has been taken. This I recognize will not work in a no democratic country, but in Spain, and the rest of the EU it will. But to have success they will really have to be at least 70% of the people, and have the guts (to kill, and follow the way of violence is much easier) to suffer in their pockets, but that will show the world their resolve, and if they do it I will applaud their independent country. As you see I am not nationalist, but I think that the best thing of Spain nowadays is democracy, and not its history. If I have to pay homage to my ancestors I will do it by taking advantage of the most valuable thing they gave, my life. May people can forget about their history or ancestors names, for many reasons, nobody told them etc, but one thing you can be sure is that you are here because them (whoever they are) struggled and were here too. I hope I did not got to solemn.

[Jay Bee]

Kurgan, well.. you said it all, there is little for me to add to your post. Two things though:

To me nationalism = minimalism. If you can have two, why restrict yourself to one? I of course respect it but can't get it.

And about the ancestors, another thing I really can't understand is how many basque terrorists have Castilian/Spanish family names. I can't imagine the bunch of lies these people have swallowed to manifest such a hate against the land of their parents and grandparents.

[Kurgan]

I agree with you about:

"To me nationalism = minimalism. If you can have two, why restrict yourself to one? I of course respect it but can't get it. ", and also about the lies that people swallo;and the thing of the familiy names is as you say some´thing strange, "come on look at your family name and tell about your pure Basque blooded ancestors."

Another thing , thanks for the invitation to this forum, it looks good, and I never saw it, because I was always looking only to the CIV3 related forums, and they are on the top of the page. BTW, do you know if the people here are planning scenarios for civ3, I downloaded "CELTS and IBERIANS" (I think that is the name, or something similar) and they are awesome. If they do such a good job in CVI3, it could be a wonder.

I hope that you do not have any people related to you affected by the attacks.

[Jay Bee]

I'm the designer of 'Celts and Iberians'

Right now I'm a bit angry with Civ3 So I have not made any plans on it.... this is something my wife is very happy with.

Thank God nobody close to me was affected by the attacks. Thanx for asking.

[Kurgan]

Congratulations for the Scenario, ¿Why are angry at CVI3?.

[Jay Bee]

No Spanish/Latino civ in it!

[Kurgan]

Yes you are right, ¿do you think that it will be possible to create them?, I have no clue about programing, but I thought that maybe because the animations are difficult to do, creators of scenarios or MODS could paint over the animations and units, changing the external appearance of them.

[Jay Bee]

I have no idea but I also presume it wouldn't be easy. But for the moment being, let's just enjoy Civ2!

[Waku]

Güelcom Kurgan!

Guat ar yu güeirin tu explein yor nik?

Edit: spelling

[alf]

ai lof yu englis mister uacu, je,je,je is guanderful

[Kurgan]

Kurgan es el nombre del inmortal malo de "Highlanders", y tambien una montañas que se encuentran al este (creo) de Moscu.

[kIndal]

Bienvenido al foro, jejej ya lei el encuentro que has tenido con Xarxo, verdad que es un encanto??

Sobre el civilization3 no creo que yo que triunfe demasiao jodio editar los escenarios que es la parte divertido del juego

Por cierto que hace un español en Belgica???Erasmus??trabajo??mujeres ???

[Marquis de Sodaq]

Welkom, Kurgan! Woon je in Vlaanderen of Wallonie?

The background of this thread's beginnings are a bit vague, but I think I understand what is being discussed. Even if not, maybe I can still say something worthwhile!

Nationalism can be brought to useful fruition, but is too often misused as an excuse for violence. See Northern Ireland for an extreme example. The violence continues seemingly for no reason other than those who commit it refuse to acknowledge that their supposed goals could be reached peacefully. Apparently the goal of unification is nothing other than an excuse to hate and kill. Quebec offers an example of what Kurgan describes, albeit an unsuccessful one.

My knowledge of Catalonian and Basque affairs is minimal, so I won't comment on them. However, regarding "pure" ethnicity, it is a silly notion in many parts of the world. Names are not always telling. My stepfather's surname is Welsh. His mother compiled a geneology of the family back into the 16th century - every last one a Norwegian, except one lone Welshman, whose name it still bears, entered three generations ago. My mother's family can trace it's name to ~12th century Normandy, despite not having a Norman added to the family tree in over 600 years. In the former case, a Welsh name for almost purely Norwegian people. In the latter case, a Norman name for almost purely Italian people. A Euskara with a Castillian name may have a similar tale to tell.

Purity might not be the issue. Nationalistic feelings stem from cultural/linguistic ties. They feel different because they have a different history, a different language, and thus a different way of experiencing the world. Nationalism is a striving to shrink the political rule to comprise just those people like us, who share our reality. That one's blood may be 1/8 spanish is a minor inconvenience.

[Kurgan]

I am here working, no Erasmus, and no women.
For the Marquis de Sodaq, I will say that I agree with you that nationalism is more based in the sharing of a common view of reality, but also there should be a common physical identification thing (not all of them), I am sure that black people having lived many years in the Basque country will not be accepted by Basque nationalists, they are always mentioning that the Basque people have a very distinctive kind of blood (RH-). Also it will be very funny to use the arguments of nationalists about roots and heritage against them, because if we have to look for our roots, we will have to go back 50.000 years or more (if scientists are right), when a small group of people (Cromagnon) left Africa through the Sinai to populate the World. Then we should say that the only nationalist movement valid in its arguments will be the Movement for the freedom of Cromagnons.¿ Any one of those around?

[Kurgan]

Sorry I am in Brussels, that is or was part of Vlaanderen.