Exploring the World

[Chris 62]

All the talk of what happened to who recently in the new world got my mind to thinking: Who were the greatest explorers from the lands of Iberia, and why do we think so? As always, I will hear from you fellows before I put down my own thoughts. Land or sea explorers can be named, as it doesn't matter either way.

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All knowledge begins with the phrase: I don't know.

[Stefan Härtel]

Well, if you recognize the conquerors of the unknown lands as explorers, I guess among the most important were Hernan Cortez (Mexico) and Francisco Pizarro (sp?) (Peru).
Others would be Magellan (Pacific), Vasco da Gama (I'd say Portugese count too) (Africa/India), Cabaral (Southern Atlantic), Medana (how do I put that ~ on the n?) (Pacific), and maybe Vilabolos (Pacific, Philippines). I could name so many more, but these were the most important ones. Maybe you'd want to include Columbus, Coronado and others too, but I don't know if their discoveries were really that great.
Now if it comes to the greatest German explorers, that'd be very interesting .
[This message has been edited by Stefan Härtel (edited March 01, 2001).]

[Chris 62]

For this topic, Portugal does indeed count, Stefan! That's why I said Iberia, not Spain. And if you want to put german ones, go ahead! I like to hear all opinions!

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All knowledge begins with the phrase: I don't know.

[Prometeus]

quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel on 03-01-2001 10:44 AM Medaña (how do I put that ~ on the n?)...

Alt+164.

[Prometeus]

quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel on 03-01-2001 12:53 PM Thañx. How's the map coming?

* tons and tons of work enchartments fell suddenly on Prom's head *

Pretty good... but I was a little unsatisfied of rivers' rendering. I have to work a little on some details. Hope to finish it soon...



[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited March 01, 2001).]

[Fiera]

You've forgotten about Juan Sebastián Elcano, the man who got to finish what Magellanes, unfortunately, couldn't...

You've also forgotten about a less known explorer, Pedro Fernández de Quirós, whom I have a (very) remote chance to descend from...

And, finally, I think that Pizarro is more important than even Cortés, since he discovered and conquered a larger and more populated empire than México.

But I won't talk much about him until I've finished his scn...

[Jay Bee]

quote: Originally posted by Fiera on 03-01-2001 04:18 PM You've forgotten about Juan Sebastián Elcano, the man who got to finish what Magellanes, unfortunately, couldn't... You've also forgotten about a less known explorer, Pedro Fernández de Quirós, whom I have a (very) remote chance to descend from... And, finally, I think that Pizarro is more important than even Cortés, since he discovered and conquered a larger and more populated empire than México. But I won't talk much about him until I've finished his scn...

Totally agree. Fiera, no you do not have the excuse of the exams. Forget about the terrace thing if that's what's stopping you. We really want that scenario done!


About Pizarro vs Cortes, I can't agree. Cortés led the way and that imho puts him on top of the list

[Fiera]

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee on 03-01-2001 04:41 PM Totally agree. Fiera, no you do not have the excuse of the exams. Forget about the terrace thing if that's what's stopping you.

I've been working very much in the terrain, I think you'll be pleased with the terrain, but after thinking and re-thinking, I've decided there will be no terraces...

At least not in the terrain files...

quote: About Pizarro vs Cortes, I can't agree. Cortés led the way and that imho puts him on top of the list

Hmm, it sounds like a good title for a thread... Pizarro Vs. Cortés...

[XIWVWIX]

El Adelantado don Rodrigo Diaz de Carreras!

, Hogfather.

[The Hogfather]

Si, algun dia hare un scenario!

[Jay Bee]

The discoverer of the Pacific Ocean was Núñez de Balboa, not Magellan. Other 'top' explorers were Ponce de León, Cabeza de Vaca, Valdivia, RodrÃguez Hurtado, GarcÃa de Paredes, Orellana, RodrÃguez Cabrillo (Portuguese)... and of course, Lope de Aguirre

A late, but very important one was Alessandro Malaspina (yeah, italo), a truly explorer, not a conquistador. His was the first ducumented voyage of scientific exploration in history. How many of you rememeber/know about him? He should have sought fortune in England, not in Spain

My 'favorite'? Hernán Cortés hands down. Fascinating life indeed. Close second, Cabeza de Vaca.


Believe it or not some of the guys cited by Stefan are totally unknown to me.

PS. The ñ is not a n with a ~!!! It's just that, a ñ

[Waku]

quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel on 03-01-2001 10:44 AM Francisco Pizarro (sp?)

YES

[Chris 62]

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee on 03-01-2001 12:24 PM Believe it or not some of the guys cited by Stefan are totally unknown to me.

But you didn't say which ones!


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All knowledge begins with the phrase: I don't know.

[Stefan Härtel]

quote: nd if you want to put german ones, go ahead! I like to hear all opinions!

Well, the most famous one is Ehinger. He came, I believe, from Nuremberg. He explored Lake Maracaibo in today's Venezuela as well as parts of Columbia. Other German explorers in South America were Federmann, Hohermuth and Philipp von Hutten, who all made a number of expeditions in Venezuela and Columbia.
The next wave of German discoveries was in the late 19th century in Africa. The greatest expeditions were made by Rohlfs, Barth, Nachtigal, Hornemann, Schweinfurt and von Wißmann.

quote: Alt+164

Thañx. How's the map coming?

quote: Believe it or not some of the guys cited by Stefan are totally unknown to me.

Honestly? Well, if you want their routes, I can scan a map for you. I found it in the Westermann's Atlas der Weltgeschichte. On another map I have again found other guys.

quote: PS. The ñ is not a n with a ~!!! It's just that, a ñ

[Jay Bee]

quote: But you didn't say which ones!

Pedaña may sound very remotely familiar, but Vilalobos (Villalobos?).. first time I hear about a conquistador/explorer with that name