....and about this one?

[Fiera]

quote: Originally posted by kIndal on 01-27-2001 06:00 PM The idea of a "Horrors Gallery" sounds very cool,in fact you have a special file with famous people, haven´t you? I would add my Charles I and Olivares units but everybody know them

Well, I used to have a file with Alexander, Caesar, El Cid and Pizarro, but I took it out when I implemented the new design...

Now I think we could join our efforts to make a Spanish Rulers graphic file, of course there would be a very complete "gallery of horrors".

[Fiera]

He, he, my third post in a row...

I also think that Stefan's pic is a young hilip II, as portrayed by Tiziano.

[The Hogfather]

Si, bourbon por la sash que lleva la hombro, azul y blanca. Y el otro, con esa quijada de perro, no podia ser mas que Habsburgo.

[Stefan Härtel]

quote: He, he, my third post in a row... I also think that Stefan's pic is a young hilip II, as portrayed by Tiziano.

Fiera, that is entirely correct!!! I found that picture in the chronicle of Germany in an article about Charles V.

(BTW, I like Philipp he is an interesting personality, but he is not very popular in our protestant point of view because he has a reputation of being merciless)

[Fiera]

quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel on 01-28-2001 06:37 AM Fiera, that is entirely correct!!! I found that picture in the chronicle of Germany in an article about Charles V.

Well, I think I know my Renaissance art...

quote: (BTW, I like Philipp he is an interesting personality, but he is not very popular in our protestant point of view because he has a reputation of being merciless)

Right, a very interesting personality indeed. The reputation of being merciless was invented for those who, as it is understandable, feared him: English, French, German protestants... I think it's very difficult for us today to imagine how mighty Philip II really was.

He was the most powerful man of his century, something like Clinton or Bush today, but without Senate and democracy...

[Stefan Härtel]

BTW, what are the true grounds for his war against England? I read somewhere that it was because England was protestant, but I don't know if this is true.
(Maybe because the supported the Dutch revolution?)

BTW, who's this?
http://members.nbci.com/SHaertel/unit.html

(It's quite tough, I suppose nobody will know)

[Chris 62]

quote: Originally posted by Stefan Härtel on 01-28-2001 01:16 PM BTW, who's this? http://members.nbci.com/SHaertel/unit.html (It's quite tough, I suppose nobody will know)

I couldn't connect with that site Stefan.

[Stefan Härtel]

Try typing it in manually (also try writing "Unit" instead of "unit"). I can't check it myself because everytime I try to access to an nbci site my browser exits

[Jay Bee]

I could see it by just clicking on the url. He looks like Alfonso XII, king of Spain but I suspect it is a German prince.

About Philip II, three main reason moved him to declare war on the English (listed in order of importance):
1) The assassination of Mary, Queen of Scots
2) English piracy in the Atlantic sea
3) English help to the Rebel Dutchies!

Despite all what has been said and exaggerated about the Armada, Philip II never bothered too much about the English; at that time they were pretty much like a dragonfly in front of an elephant. Philip II's worries were always France and Turkey. Of course, only a few years after Philip II, the dragonfly became a dragon flying well above the elephant.

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[Jay Bee]

Okay, this is Stefan's unit #2



I still think it looks like Alfonso XII

[Stefan Härtel]

quote: but I suspect it is a German prince.

Not wrong... it is supposed to be Leopold von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, who was pretendant to the Spanish throne in 1870. Notre amis francaise did not like that. It was a very messy story and it ended with the unification of Germany

Thanks for uploading the picture, and thanks for the info on Philipp.

[Jay Bee]

Let's recapitulate:

1. Franco (pic by kIndal)
2. Charles IV (pic by Jay Bee)
3. Philip IV (pic by Fiera)
4. Philip II (pic by Stefan)
4a. Leopold of Hohenzollern-etc (or Alfonso XII )(pic by Stefan)


Who's next? Fiera, these pics together with kIndal's Charles V and Olivares could make a veeeery good section for your site.


oops, and my Lope de Aguirre too!
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[Jay Bee]

well, here is the next one. Pic by kIndal. This guy was a most honorable man, so he does not deserve to be in a 'horror gallery':

[Fiera]

Isn't he José Mart�

I vaguely remember that pic was already in your Cuba scenario, wasn't it?

And yes, the Gallery of Hispanic rulers shall be a great feature for my units section...



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PÃo Baroja

[Allard HS]

I know this has nothing to do with Spain, but I wanted to share one of the units I am most proud of, as it bears quite a good resemblence to the actual photo.