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Hello Apolyton NESing community! Or whats left of it. I decided to remake this nes that is currently going on in CFC and is being modded by the NES originator himself, das. Its pretty fun, and since I know CFC type nes' have been successful in poly before.
I made a preview thread to kinda gauge who would want to join an NES here at all, I dont know how many regulars still come here.
This is an alternate history NES starting in 1930, hope you all like it!
Oh, and I also ask that noone posts before I finish the remaining 2 posts with the nations and the map. Thanks.
History Timeline
- Titanic survives. Soon enough more such “Grand Ships” as they are labeled are produced by Germany, Russia, France, UK and USA. UK and USA end up to have the most and the best ships.
- Numerous crises over national waters and coaling stations arise between USA and UK, causing increase of tensions. UK is, if a little reluctantly, backed by the Entente and this provokes the Central Powers to back USA instead.
- Erzherzog Ferdinand and his wife don’t go to Sarajevo – instead, they go on a luxury cruise on Austro-Hungary’s only Grandship – “Mozart”. Thus WWI is delayed. Nevertheless, UK and later Germany start secretly working on tanks.
- Eventually in 1917, the British Grandship “Wellington” is boarded by American soldiers for violating American national waters. Neither side wants to back down, and war begins pitting UK, France, Russia and Japan against USA, Germany, Austro-Hungary, Ottoman Empire and Italy (which backed the USA in the beginning in solidarity with the other Central Powers, hoping that UK will back down, and when war begun backing down would be a horrible loss of face).
- World War One thus begun, with planes already in good use, and with first tanks being produced by UK and Germany. Submarines are also somehow more developed, as are Zeppelins. Several military Grandships are operational, and are floating fortresses that can stand for themselves against fleets of enemy ships.
1917:
- American Front: Pershing commanded the American offensive into eastern Canada. It is a success, taking Quebec, Toronto and Montreal. However the supply situation begins to worsen, and the British forces soon arrive in Halifax. First Grandship duel at the Bahamas ends in American defeat, however the British fleet fails to achieve a significant victory.
- Atlantic Theater: numerous battles between British and German fleets leave no one victorious until the Germans unleash their Zeppelins and U-Boats, sinking a British Grandship and winning the Battle of Bermuda.
- West European Front: Zeppelins are used by Germans in bombing Paris and London; Buckingham Palace is damaged. The Germans sign a secret treaty with Belgium, promising it a bit of French land in exchange for free passage. Belgium agrees, and Germans quickly invade and overrun the French. The Germans already have developed tanks while French only have their prototypes, and the German Panzers break the back of the French army at Marne and enters Paris. The government flees to Toulouse and considers capitulation, but Joseph Joffre arrests the French parliament for treason in a move that becomes legendary in French history, and is declared, to the cheers of the crowd, a Dictator of the Republic. Italians act quickly and seize Corsica and Nice, however are soon defeated at Annecy.
- East European Front: Russian army is better prepared then in the real history. Unfortunately General Samsonov died from asthma, and was replaced by Ivanov, who is not a worthy replacement. Nevertheless Russians manage to invade East Prussia and seize Thorn and Konigsberg after the local German commander issued general retreat in panic. Nevertheless, the Germans soon sent Luddendorff to command at the front, and he managed to stop the Russian offensive into Silesia, though failing to inflict a crushing defeat. Austro-Hungarians attempted to invade Poland, but Brusilov defeated them at Radom.
- Middle Eastern Front: Russian and British forces launch numerous offensives against the Ottomans, and seize several border areas.
- Colonial Front (Africa and Far East): Basically the British and the French overrun all German colonies save for German East Africa where von Lettow gave them a very hard time. In the Pacific, several naval battles between UK and USA are rather in American favor, allowing the American marines to seize Hong Kong and Singapore. But Japan’s fleet soon enough defeated the Americans at Manila.
1918-1920:
- American Front: British tanks and the Canadian winter allow the British to turn the tide, and to drive Pershing out of most of Canada. Nevertheless Vancouver is soon taken by the Western Offensive in 1919. British defeat Americans in the naval battle at Kingston and then occupy Puerto Rico and Cuba.
- Atlantic Theater: the British adapt to German submarine and zeppelin warfare, and defeat Germans at Biscay.
- West European Front: the Germans continue to advance, but the French and British now also have tanks on that front, and the Germans are beaten back a little, though holding on to Paris. Mostly the fighting quiets down, but occasional offensives take place here and there.
- Eastern European Front: German tanks manage to drive the Russians back considerably, and the front neared catastrophe if not for the BEC and the successful landing in Dardanelles performed by the British and the French. Nevertheless, the Russians were driven back in East Prussia. Brusilov’s Breakthrough, the first use of tank by Russians, greatly damages the Austro-Hungarian fighting capabilities and leads to Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece (note that in 1915, Greece and Serbia divided Albania between each other over Austro-Hungarian protests) joining the Entente.
- Middle Eastern Front: Ottoman forces suffer a defeat after a defeat, losing Armenia, Trebzond, Iraq and Palestine to the Entente forces. After Galipoli falls, the Ottomans surrender and cede large parts of Thrace to Bulgaria, west Anatolian coast to Greece, Armenia and Kurdistan to Russia, Iraq and Hedjaz to UK, Palestine and Transjordan to France.
- Colonial Front: Lettow continues his fight, and soon enough this and the victories in France persuade Belgium and Portugal to join the Central Powers wishing to grab some land. Japanese and British forces occupy Philippines and retake Singapore.
1921:
- UK and USA start to sink into debt due to war, soon followed by the other participants. Anti war sentiment begins to rise, just as the casualties do (over 50,000,000 now).
- American Front: UK starts numerous destructive zeppelin raids and naval bombardments against Eastern USA. Heavy fighting in Canada continues, but Russo-British forces manage to retake Vancouver and seize Anchorage, to counter the American victory at Halifax. Mexico enters the war against USA, but soon drops out after losing Veracruz, ceding some border territories.
- Atlantic Theater: Fighting is very intensive, but the British forces continue to hold the advantage, for now.
- West European Front: The Charlemagne Offensive is launched, as the French forces, using the distraction in the Eastern Front, attacked the unexpecting German forces and winning at Versailles and at Orleans. Paris is retaken, and Joffre is viewed as a national hero. Italian forces finally face the French and are defeated at Grenoble allowing the French to occupy Piedmont.
- East European Front: Under the stress of many defeats, Austro-Hungary collapses into revolts and anarchy after Franz Joseph was assassinated by a Croat nationalist in Zagreb. Germans and Russians quickly send all their local forces to Austro-Hungary, and thus Russia takes Budapest and Germany – Vienna. Serbs occupy Sarajevo.
- Middle Eastern Front: Enver Pasha is overthrown by Kemal Mustafa Ataturk who declares the Turkish Republic and reenters the war. That doesn’t do him much good as Bulgars soon occupy Constantinople and he is captured. Turkey gives Constantinople to Bulgaria and some border territories to Russia, and pays large reparations for breaking the treaty.
- Colonial Front: Belgian, Portuguese and German forces launch a daring invasion of South Africa and are backed by the Boers who rebel and seize large parts of South Africa. Last German possessions and Portuguese possessions are captured by the British and the Japanese.
1922:
- American Front: several revolts, riots and strikes hit USA, calling for peace (the same happens in UK). Nevertheless the war goes on, and Americans take Toronto and Vancouver once more.
- Atlantic Theater quiets down as both British and German naval resources are pretty much exhausted.
- West European Front: Joffre is assassinated by German spies, and General Petain takes over. By then the anti-war sentiment in France became greater then the revanchism and France started separate peace negotiations with Germany.
- East European Front: Here the fighting was especially intensive in the end of the war. The Germans have invaded Poland and Hungary pretty successfully at first, but eventually the Russian trench tactics and superior numbers have stopped the Germans. Trench warfare soon proved to be very costly for both sides, and farther increased anti-war sentiment.
- Colonial Front: Several rebellions begin throughout Africa, as native peoples decided to use this moment to gain independence. Nevertheless, due to poor organization the rebellions here fail. Cape Town is captured by the Boers and their allies. Indian rebellions are more fortunate then the African ones and the British are thrown out of most of India.
1923:
- The war’s last year. Casualties reach 75,000,000 now. Entire armies mutiny and rebel, and riots fill several countries. Communes appear throughout USA and France. Most fighting stops. In Russia and in Germany, military leaders coup their governments. Several treaties are signed between various nations, and the old alliance system dies out. Ironically the issue of national waters is never fully cleared out, despite being the one that started the war.
- In America, UK cedes British Columbia and the west of Northwestern Territories to USA. In exchange, UK keeps Cuba and Puerto Rico.
- In Europe, France cedes Artois to Belgium, and abandons claims on Lorraine-Alsace for now. Hungary and Poland become independent, but Germany takes Austria and Bohemia, Serbia takes Bosnia, Russia takes Galicia. Ottoman Empire’s two capitulations are acknowledged.
- In Africa, Germany keeps its colonies. Furthermore, it gains Morocco. All Italy’s colonies go to UK. Sudafrika (South Africa) is given independence and is the Boer state.
- In Far East, Japan gains Philippines from USA and Tsingtao from Germany, and Australia gains German New Guinea. Germany does keep its Pacific Islands.
It is now the year 1930, and the world is quite different.
America suffered a civil war which resulted in USA being divided into USA in the west and the Union of Councilary Socialist Republics (UCSR) in the east. Canada has lost all ties with UK and is now divided into Canada and Quebec.
The shockwave that was sent by the communist UCSR’s survival across the world has led to new communist regimes. The nation count in Latin America is quite decreased with the creation of Democratic Union of Central America (DUCA, spreading from Mexico to Costa Rica), Gran Columbia (a fascist state consisting of Panama, Ecuador, Columbia and Venezuela, formed to oppose communism), the Brazilian People’s Republic (including the Guineas), the Andes Commune (Peru and Chile) and the Socialist Federation of La Plata (Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay).
In Europe, France and Italy too are communist. UK is in pitiful state – indeed, it is just Great Britain now, as the whole of Ireland seceded and the Commonwealth came apart, and most colonies are lost now. Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg have now united into Benelux, slightly dominated by Belgium. Germany and Russia still have the same borders, only Germany annexed Poland. Russia and Germany get along quite fine, and both are ruled by military regimes that, while they sound fascist, are not all that oppressive and were quite beneficial especially to Russia which managed to industrialize and modernize with German assistance. In the Balkans, the nation of Yugoslavia was formed by Serbia and Bulgaria, scaring Greece a little. Greece still holds on to its growing Anatolian colonies, and is becoming a pretty good economic power.
In Middle East, French colony of Palestine-Transjordan is now the People’s Republic of Israel, while Iraq and Hedjaz are now ruled by the Saudi dynasty, as is the whole of Arabia. Russia expanded into Persia as per agreement with Germany (which was allowed to conquer Poland) and India (which was allowed to conquer Afghanistan).
In Africa, France managed to keep Tunisia and Algiers, but the rest of the colonies are occupied by German forces ever since the Second Paris Commune. Portugal, Egypt and Abyssinia took a few British colonies nearby, while Belgium grabbed French Congo.
India is the newest world power if you don’t count the UCSR. It consists of the entire British India, plus Afghanistan, plus Siam, plus French Indochina. It is very friendly towards Russia and Germany, forming the so-called Triple Alliance which more or less dominates the world.
Japan is a rising power, which greatly expanded into China and Indonesia and kept all of its previous gains. It also used the Second American Civil War to capture Hawaii. It is believed that it is the most likely challenger to the Triple Alliance, but it too would need allies if it is to win such a struggle.
Australia and New Zeeland are now out of Commonwealth and are federated into one. It is a rising naval power and allied with USA.
I made a preview thread to kinda gauge who would want to join an NES here at all, I dont know how many regulars still come here.
This is an alternate history NES starting in 1930, hope you all like it!
Oh, and I also ask that noone posts before I finish the remaining 2 posts with the nations and the map. Thanks.
History Timeline
- Titanic survives. Soon enough more such “Grand Ships” as they are labeled are produced by Germany, Russia, France, UK and USA. UK and USA end up to have the most and the best ships.
- Numerous crises over national waters and coaling stations arise between USA and UK, causing increase of tensions. UK is, if a little reluctantly, backed by the Entente and this provokes the Central Powers to back USA instead.
- Erzherzog Ferdinand and his wife don’t go to Sarajevo – instead, they go on a luxury cruise on Austro-Hungary’s only Grandship – “Mozart”. Thus WWI is delayed. Nevertheless, UK and later Germany start secretly working on tanks.
- Eventually in 1917, the British Grandship “Wellington” is boarded by American soldiers for violating American national waters. Neither side wants to back down, and war begins pitting UK, France, Russia and Japan against USA, Germany, Austro-Hungary, Ottoman Empire and Italy (which backed the USA in the beginning in solidarity with the other Central Powers, hoping that UK will back down, and when war begun backing down would be a horrible loss of face).
- World War One thus begun, with planes already in good use, and with first tanks being produced by UK and Germany. Submarines are also somehow more developed, as are Zeppelins. Several military Grandships are operational, and are floating fortresses that can stand for themselves against fleets of enemy ships.
1917:
- American Front: Pershing commanded the American offensive into eastern Canada. It is a success, taking Quebec, Toronto and Montreal. However the supply situation begins to worsen, and the British forces soon arrive in Halifax. First Grandship duel at the Bahamas ends in American defeat, however the British fleet fails to achieve a significant victory.
- Atlantic Theater: numerous battles between British and German fleets leave no one victorious until the Germans unleash their Zeppelins and U-Boats, sinking a British Grandship and winning the Battle of Bermuda.
- West European Front: Zeppelins are used by Germans in bombing Paris and London; Buckingham Palace is damaged. The Germans sign a secret treaty with Belgium, promising it a bit of French land in exchange for free passage. Belgium agrees, and Germans quickly invade and overrun the French. The Germans already have developed tanks while French only have their prototypes, and the German Panzers break the back of the French army at Marne and enters Paris. The government flees to Toulouse and considers capitulation, but Joseph Joffre arrests the French parliament for treason in a move that becomes legendary in French history, and is declared, to the cheers of the crowd, a Dictator of the Republic. Italians act quickly and seize Corsica and Nice, however are soon defeated at Annecy.
- East European Front: Russian army is better prepared then in the real history. Unfortunately General Samsonov died from asthma, and was replaced by Ivanov, who is not a worthy replacement. Nevertheless Russians manage to invade East Prussia and seize Thorn and Konigsberg after the local German commander issued general retreat in panic. Nevertheless, the Germans soon sent Luddendorff to command at the front, and he managed to stop the Russian offensive into Silesia, though failing to inflict a crushing defeat. Austro-Hungarians attempted to invade Poland, but Brusilov defeated them at Radom.
- Middle Eastern Front: Russian and British forces launch numerous offensives against the Ottomans, and seize several border areas.
- Colonial Front (Africa and Far East): Basically the British and the French overrun all German colonies save for German East Africa where von Lettow gave them a very hard time. In the Pacific, several naval battles between UK and USA are rather in American favor, allowing the American marines to seize Hong Kong and Singapore. But Japan’s fleet soon enough defeated the Americans at Manila.
1918-1920:
- American Front: British tanks and the Canadian winter allow the British to turn the tide, and to drive Pershing out of most of Canada. Nevertheless Vancouver is soon taken by the Western Offensive in 1919. British defeat Americans in the naval battle at Kingston and then occupy Puerto Rico and Cuba.
- Atlantic Theater: the British adapt to German submarine and zeppelin warfare, and defeat Germans at Biscay.
- West European Front: the Germans continue to advance, but the French and British now also have tanks on that front, and the Germans are beaten back a little, though holding on to Paris. Mostly the fighting quiets down, but occasional offensives take place here and there.
- Eastern European Front: German tanks manage to drive the Russians back considerably, and the front neared catastrophe if not for the BEC and the successful landing in Dardanelles performed by the British and the French. Nevertheless, the Russians were driven back in East Prussia. Brusilov’s Breakthrough, the first use of tank by Russians, greatly damages the Austro-Hungarian fighting capabilities and leads to Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece (note that in 1915, Greece and Serbia divided Albania between each other over Austro-Hungarian protests) joining the Entente.
- Middle Eastern Front: Ottoman forces suffer a defeat after a defeat, losing Armenia, Trebzond, Iraq and Palestine to the Entente forces. After Galipoli falls, the Ottomans surrender and cede large parts of Thrace to Bulgaria, west Anatolian coast to Greece, Armenia and Kurdistan to Russia, Iraq and Hedjaz to UK, Palestine and Transjordan to France.
- Colonial Front: Lettow continues his fight, and soon enough this and the victories in France persuade Belgium and Portugal to join the Central Powers wishing to grab some land. Japanese and British forces occupy Philippines and retake Singapore.
1921:
- UK and USA start to sink into debt due to war, soon followed by the other participants. Anti war sentiment begins to rise, just as the casualties do (over 50,000,000 now).
- American Front: UK starts numerous destructive zeppelin raids and naval bombardments against Eastern USA. Heavy fighting in Canada continues, but Russo-British forces manage to retake Vancouver and seize Anchorage, to counter the American victory at Halifax. Mexico enters the war against USA, but soon drops out after losing Veracruz, ceding some border territories.
- Atlantic Theater: Fighting is very intensive, but the British forces continue to hold the advantage, for now.
- West European Front: The Charlemagne Offensive is launched, as the French forces, using the distraction in the Eastern Front, attacked the unexpecting German forces and winning at Versailles and at Orleans. Paris is retaken, and Joffre is viewed as a national hero. Italian forces finally face the French and are defeated at Grenoble allowing the French to occupy Piedmont.
- East European Front: Under the stress of many defeats, Austro-Hungary collapses into revolts and anarchy after Franz Joseph was assassinated by a Croat nationalist in Zagreb. Germans and Russians quickly send all their local forces to Austro-Hungary, and thus Russia takes Budapest and Germany – Vienna. Serbs occupy Sarajevo.
- Middle Eastern Front: Enver Pasha is overthrown by Kemal Mustafa Ataturk who declares the Turkish Republic and reenters the war. That doesn’t do him much good as Bulgars soon occupy Constantinople and he is captured. Turkey gives Constantinople to Bulgaria and some border territories to Russia, and pays large reparations for breaking the treaty.
- Colonial Front: Belgian, Portuguese and German forces launch a daring invasion of South Africa and are backed by the Boers who rebel and seize large parts of South Africa. Last German possessions and Portuguese possessions are captured by the British and the Japanese.
1922:
- American Front: several revolts, riots and strikes hit USA, calling for peace (the same happens in UK). Nevertheless the war goes on, and Americans take Toronto and Vancouver once more.
- Atlantic Theater quiets down as both British and German naval resources are pretty much exhausted.
- West European Front: Joffre is assassinated by German spies, and General Petain takes over. By then the anti-war sentiment in France became greater then the revanchism and France started separate peace negotiations with Germany.
- East European Front: Here the fighting was especially intensive in the end of the war. The Germans have invaded Poland and Hungary pretty successfully at first, but eventually the Russian trench tactics and superior numbers have stopped the Germans. Trench warfare soon proved to be very costly for both sides, and farther increased anti-war sentiment.
- Colonial Front: Several rebellions begin throughout Africa, as native peoples decided to use this moment to gain independence. Nevertheless, due to poor organization the rebellions here fail. Cape Town is captured by the Boers and their allies. Indian rebellions are more fortunate then the African ones and the British are thrown out of most of India.
1923:
- The war’s last year. Casualties reach 75,000,000 now. Entire armies mutiny and rebel, and riots fill several countries. Communes appear throughout USA and France. Most fighting stops. In Russia and in Germany, military leaders coup their governments. Several treaties are signed between various nations, and the old alliance system dies out. Ironically the issue of national waters is never fully cleared out, despite being the one that started the war.
- In America, UK cedes British Columbia and the west of Northwestern Territories to USA. In exchange, UK keeps Cuba and Puerto Rico.
- In Europe, France cedes Artois to Belgium, and abandons claims on Lorraine-Alsace for now. Hungary and Poland become independent, but Germany takes Austria and Bohemia, Serbia takes Bosnia, Russia takes Galicia. Ottoman Empire’s two capitulations are acknowledged.
- In Africa, Germany keeps its colonies. Furthermore, it gains Morocco. All Italy’s colonies go to UK. Sudafrika (South Africa) is given independence and is the Boer state.
- In Far East, Japan gains Philippines from USA and Tsingtao from Germany, and Australia gains German New Guinea. Germany does keep its Pacific Islands.
It is now the year 1930, and the world is quite different.
America suffered a civil war which resulted in USA being divided into USA in the west and the Union of Councilary Socialist Republics (UCSR) in the east. Canada has lost all ties with UK and is now divided into Canada and Quebec.
The shockwave that was sent by the communist UCSR’s survival across the world has led to new communist regimes. The nation count in Latin America is quite decreased with the creation of Democratic Union of Central America (DUCA, spreading from Mexico to Costa Rica), Gran Columbia (a fascist state consisting of Panama, Ecuador, Columbia and Venezuela, formed to oppose communism), the Brazilian People’s Republic (including the Guineas), the Andes Commune (Peru and Chile) and the Socialist Federation of La Plata (Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay).
In Europe, France and Italy too are communist. UK is in pitiful state – indeed, it is just Great Britain now, as the whole of Ireland seceded and the Commonwealth came apart, and most colonies are lost now. Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg have now united into Benelux, slightly dominated by Belgium. Germany and Russia still have the same borders, only Germany annexed Poland. Russia and Germany get along quite fine, and both are ruled by military regimes that, while they sound fascist, are not all that oppressive and were quite beneficial especially to Russia which managed to industrialize and modernize with German assistance. In the Balkans, the nation of Yugoslavia was formed by Serbia and Bulgaria, scaring Greece a little. Greece still holds on to its growing Anatolian colonies, and is becoming a pretty good economic power.
In Middle East, French colony of Palestine-Transjordan is now the People’s Republic of Israel, while Iraq and Hedjaz are now ruled by the Saudi dynasty, as is the whole of Arabia. Russia expanded into Persia as per agreement with Germany (which was allowed to conquer Poland) and India (which was allowed to conquer Afghanistan).
In Africa, France managed to keep Tunisia and Algiers, but the rest of the colonies are occupied by German forces ever since the Second Paris Commune. Portugal, Egypt and Abyssinia took a few British colonies nearby, while Belgium grabbed French Congo.
India is the newest world power if you don’t count the UCSR. It consists of the entire British India, plus Afghanistan, plus Siam, plus French Indochina. It is very friendly towards Russia and Germany, forming the so-called Triple Alliance which more or less dominates the world.
Japan is a rising power, which greatly expanded into China and Indonesia and kept all of its previous gains. It also used the Second American Civil War to capture Hawaii. It is believed that it is the most likely challenger to the Triple Alliance, but it too would need allies if it is to win such a struggle.
Australia and New Zeeland are now out of Commonwealth and are federated into one. It is a rising naval power and allied with USA.
I'm in, although orders may be sketchy for a couple weeks.
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