Dip 61: Day of Apocralypse, Spring 1996 Moves

[Dr. Nick]

Dip 61: Day of Apocralypse Spring 1996 Moves

GM
Al Awrence
E-mail: m_carreras@hotmail.com
ICQ# 102139615

Moves

Britain
*End Is Forever*
lindley91@yahoo.com
ICQ: 33689665
AIM: Endisforever91
F SAO-Gib
F MAO-SAO
F ENG-Bel *bounce*
F Nwy H
F NWG S F Nwy *support cut*
F NTH S F Nwy

Egypt
Taurus
E-Mail : angry_taurus@hotmail.com
ICQ#: 52073195
NMR! All units hold.
F Lbs
F Eme
F Sau
A Cai
A Asw

FRANCE
Chazzy
E-mail chazzy@execpc.com
ICQ#: 116124479
F-BOR>BRI
A-AUV HOLD
A-ALS>PAR
A-LYO>MAR *bounce*
A-MON>MAR *bounce*
A-SWI>MUN

Germany
VGR
E-Mail: vgraux@infonie.be
ICQ#: N/A
AIM: N/A
F DEN-SWE *bounce*
A PIC-BEL *bounce*
F HAM-BER *bounce*
F BHM S F HAM-BER *support cut*
A MUN-SAX *bounce, dislodged, RETREATS Als, Ruh, OTB*
A SLO-CZE *bounce*

Italy
Victor Galis
E-Mail: victorg@aol.com
ICQ#: 47756253
AIM: victorg
A Aus S French A Swi-Mun
A Hun S Turkish F Alb-Ser *support cut*
F Cro-Adr
F Lib S F Tun-Mal
F Tun-Mal
F Nap-Ion
F Rom-Nap
A Mil S A Aus
A Tus-Ven

Poland
Defiant
E-Mail: defiant@charter.net
ICQ#: 46172786
A-BER > FRA
A-SAX S A-BER > FRA *support cut*
F-BAL > BHM *bounce*
A=PRU > BER *bounce*
A-KRA > CZE *bounce*
A-WAR > KRA *bounce*

Russia
The Orange 1
E-Mail: the_orange1@hotmail.com
ICQ#: 109943271
A-Lap > Nor *bounce*
A-Swe S A-Lap > Nor *support cut*
F-Gob S A-Swe
F-Brn > Nwg *bounce*
F-Ros S A-Cau > Geo
F-Ank > Ist *bounce, dislodged, DESTROYED*
A-Geo > Ank *bounce*
A-Cau > Geo *bounce*

Spain
SnowFire
E-mail: Peter.Ingraham@oberlin.edu
ICQ#: 35476699
A Bar S A Nav
F WMe->SoG
F Lig->GoL
A Nav S A Por
A Por S A Nav

Turkey
orange
E-mail: bobby@udel.edu
ICQ#:91875872
AIM: OrangeSfwr
F Alb - Ser
A Bul - Ist *bounce, dislodged, RETREATS Ist, Mac, Gre, OTB*
F Ist - Ank
A Izm S F Ist - Ank
A Arm S F Ist - Ank
A Aze - Geo *bounce*

Ukraine
RUFFHAUS 8
E-mail: RUFFHAUS8@aol.com
ICQ: 63418710
AIM: RUFFHAUS8
A Kiev - Podolskiy *bounce*
A Podolskiy - Hungary *bounce*
A Serbia - Bulgaria
A Rumania supports A Serbia - Bulgaria
F Odessa supports A Rumania - hold
F Western Black Sea supports Russian F Ankara - Istanbul
F Eastern Black Sea supports Russian F Georgia - Ankara

Spring 1996 Map

Next Deadline
Please check for errors.

Fall 96 orders due Christmas Eve at Midnight or Monday 24th Midnight, GMT -3. So give me a nice Xmas present and don't NMR.

[Victor Galis]

What does A Bul-Ist bounce with exactly?

[Victor Galis]

And, IIRC, though the map doesn't show it, England owns Ireland.

[orange]

Retreats to Istanbul, please

[the_orange1]

A-Bul can't retreat to Ist if that's where it was bounced out of in the previous turn - am I wrong?

[the_orange1]

A-Bul can't retreat to Ist if that's where it was bounced out of in the previous turn

[Victor Galis]

Right, but I don't see what caused A Bul-Ist to bounce, hence it probably didn't bounce.

[Taurus]

I know that this NMR is mostly my own fault, and yet I reserve the right to say 'Bah !'. I had no idea when the deadline was, and I'm regular to receiving an ICQ message before the deadline.

Anyway, I'll learn for next times.

[orange]

ok, retreat to Gre then

[VGR]

Originally posted by orange
ok, retreat to Gre then

turkish A Bul-Ist bounces with Russian F Ank-Ist (destroyed) and thus may retreat only to Mac or gre

Bye and hail to the people having fun at me

BTW, do you know the "reply" button in your email client ? ;-)

[RUFFHAUS 8]

Actually, Victor is correct here. Turkish A Bulgaria to Istanbul is uncontested because Turkish F Istanbul defeated (3v2) and dislodged Russian F Ankara on the Istanbul/Ankara border, which the Russian unit never crossed so there is no bounce.

[Dr. Nick]

You're right, dunno why I made the mistake there... I'll correct the map tomorrow. Sorry for the messup.

[VGR]

Originally posted by RUFFHAUS 8
Actually, Victor is correct here. Turkish A Bulgaria to Istanbul is uncontested because Turkish F Istanbul defeated (3v2) and dislodged Russian F Ankara on the Istanbul/Ankara border, which the Russian unit never crossed so there is no bounce.

IMHO and comprehension of the rules set, there can be no retreat to a province claimed in the current turn (that is, either left, or accessed)
Here, Ist was claimed by Russian F Ank, it having been defeated notwithstanding.
This there can be no retreat to Ist, IMHO

Let's take another example : imagine a bounce and one of the two units being defeated (flanked). Could it retreat in the bounced-to province ? I'm sure it can not.

Another way : imagine a mutual arranged standoff (Vie and Bud on Tri) to protect Tri and leave it free for building. Imagine that italian A Tyr also tries to sneak into Tri. The purpose of the arranged standoff was exactly to repell it's attack.
Now, imagine that A Tyr is attacked and defeated by, say, a germano-french coalition. Could A Tyr retreat to Tri ? No.

the argument of 'it never crossed the border' is smoky (I try a translation of "fumeux") because I thought the rules stated that all moves are simultaneous.

This was my 0.01 € message of the day 8-)

[orange]

Greece, Istanbul...I don't care! Just retreat the ****ing unit so I can waste all your asses with our nuclear arsenal! The Ottomans will rise again!!!!



....

In other news, President orange of Turkey has been declared criminally insane and has been deposed in a military coup. Turkey's acting dictator had this to say...

"well, after that outburst during the UN meeting, we realized it was time to kick the bastard out on his ass"

[RUFFHAUS 8]

There's no bounce in Istanbul. Turkey won the conflict 3v2, moving from Istanbul to Ankara. Turkey vacated Istanbul in doing so. There's no restriction on retreating there.