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**RUFFHAUS 8** · May 3, 2001, 09:27

Here's the map for Fall 1905:

http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/ADCN/ADCNF05.gif

Sahib, please double check the following items:

1) Russian F Baltic Sea - Skaggerat is an invalid order
2) As follows Norway's support for the move is invalid
3) Turkish F Black Sea was unordered.
4) France has 8 SCs,a nd 8 units, so no disband necessary.

**Napoleon Bonaparte II** · May 3, 2001, 10:23

Yes...a comeback.

Turkey, I suggest you think about what you are doing before you bother me further. Unlike you, I have no two-front war to fight.

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**Sirotnikov** · May 4, 2001, 00:15

you call that a comeback?
it's hardly a noisance.....

talk to me on ICQ if you wish.
i'm never closed to suggestions.

**Taurus** · May 4, 2001, 15:41

With such a comeback from Russia, I guess there is still hope for me.

**Yoav** · May 4, 2001, 17:40

I just restored my computer to normal, and I doubt I would be able to send an adjustment. Anyway, as Ruff noted, I shouldn't have that disband either, as I lost my Lpl unit.
About which, by the way --
WTF is this?!
Iri sup Lpl means The Irish Sea unit supports the staying of the Liverpool unit in its province. If it does not stay there - the move is void. If it does, the support should count. I think it is obvious that I meant to support the unit, and the move to Edi was just something to do with my Lpl unit. Besides, again - if you saw I sent a doubtable order, you should have at least tried to contact me. I never thought such stupid logic is the dominant one here, and when it is, a considerate manner could help.
[This message has been edited by Yoav (edited May 04, 2001).]

**Yoav** · May 4, 2001, 18:32

quote:

Originally posted by Taurus on 05-04-2001 03:41 PM
With such a comeback from Russia, I guess there is still hope for me.

Well, IMO - Russia was able to regrow this quickly, just because he talked you into leaving him when you could kill him in one turn... this is one not-so-smart strategy to leave dying people out there... the same thing just happenned with Turkey... not attacking Italy. But who knows, Italy might not attack him this soon. Anyway this is why I do not let you off the hook, I fear you might seek for me ever after. I don't thing a comeback of the English once-called empire is probably, but with such an evolving set of rules, who knows..

**Sirotnikov** · May 5, 2001, 18:10

quote:

Originally posted by Yoav on 05-04-2001 05:40 PM
I just restored my computer to normal, and I doubt I would be able to send an adjustment. Anyway, as Ruff noted, I shouldn't have that disband either, as I lost my Lpl unit.
About which, by the way --
WTF is this?!
Iri sup Lpl means The Irish Sea unit supports the staying of the Liverpool unit in its province. If it does not stay there - the move is void. If it does, the support should count. I think it is obvious that I meant to support the unit, and the move to Edi was just something to do with my Lpl unit. Besides, again - if you saw I sent a doubtable order, you should have at least tried to contact me. I never thought such stupid logic is the dominant one here, and when it is, a considerate manner could help.
[This message has been edited by Yoav (edited May 04, 2001).]

Don't be silly and annoying.

It has been discussed and asked about:
You can't condition your moves. Having Lpl move somewhere and putting Iri sup Lpl incase it won't succeed is conditioning. You must specify in your support what do you support Lpl to do. If you don't, it's counted as support hold iirc.

The irish can't come there and wait to see what lpl ends up doing. they come to support a stay, in which case they build forts, or to support an attack in which case they form an attack force.

**Yoav** · May 6, 2001, 17:01

Exactly. I supported the Liverpool's stay. Iri sup Lpl <=> Iri sup Lpl Hold
means defend the allied army at Liverpool.
The army eventually stayed, so the support should count. Besides, I think it's obvious that the support was the main target in this comlex, and if you (Sirotnikov) was let off when you did not even specify what coast you are moving (that, according to the official rulebook should void your move), why shouldn't I be let off when there ARE two acceptable and reasonable opinions here, in a subject not covered by the rulebook?

**RUFFHAUS 8** · May 6, 2001, 22:50

Yoav. sorry to pile on, but Sahib has adjudicated the situation correctly. A unit ordered to move cannot receive support to hold at the same time. From the rulebook:

X. THE SUPPORT ORDER
6. HOLDING. A unit not ordered to move (i.e. one that is ordered to hold, ordered to convoy, ordered to support, or not ordered at all) may receive support in holding it's position. A unit ordered to move may receive support only for its attempted movement. It may not be supported in place in the event that its attempted move fails. Thus "A Mun Hols. A Boh S A Mun" is valid, but if "A Mun-Ber", then a written order "A Boh S A Mun" is not a valid order because the army in Munich was ordered to move.

**Sahib** · May 7, 2001, 09:02

I was away over the weekend, so I joinn your discussion a little late:

first the issues Ruffhaus brought up. Ruffy, you are right as always:

1) Bal - Ska is invalid
2) the support order is indeed invalid
3) F Black holds
4) I guess I miscounted. If you say so....

As for the french support: the rules are clear about it. No need to change the adjucation.

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