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**RUFFHAUS8** · April 21, 2001, 13:07

Try it now... I'd was in the process of uploading it as you posted.

***End Is Forever*** · April 21, 2001, 13:20

Works now... sweet.

**RUFFHAUS8** · April 22, 2001, 00:44

ADC Dip 51 South American Supremacy, Game Standings/Supply Center Count - 1836 (Fall); 38 Supply Centers Total, Solo Victory Requires Ownership of 20 Supply Centers Legend: COUNTRY - Present Leader/Former Leader (number of centers held) * Home Supply Centers listed in CAPS.

BRAZIL (7) Hogfather
SAO PAULO, RIO DE JANIERO, SALVADOR, MANAUS
Rio Grande Do Sul, Maranhao, Parana

ARGENTINA (6) Iain Lindley
BUENOS AIRES, CORDOBA, SALTA
Montevideo, Corrientes, Asuncion (Pa)

COLOMBIA (6) Sahib
BOGATA, CALI, CARTEGENA,
Islas Galapagos, Maricaibo (V), Panama

BOLIVIA (5) Berzerker
LA PAZ, ANTOFAGASTA
Santa Cruz, Arica, Potosi

CHILE (5) Chazzy
SANTIAGO, VALPARISO
Patagonia, Punta Arenas, Islas Juan Fernandez

PERU (5) Gerwald
LIMA, TRUJILLO
Arquiris Indigenous Territory, Quito, Iquitos

VENEZUELA (3) Defiant
CARACAS
Angostura, Cumana

PARAGUAY (1) Snowfire
CONCEPCION

***End Is Forever*** · April 22, 2001, 00:59

Broken map link? I can't get to it anyway...

**SnowFire** · April 22, 2001, 01:39

Bah. I don't retreat OTB.

**RUFFHAUS8** · April 22, 2001, 11:22

Well, very well. Now I know what you don't do. When you submit your retreat order, I'll note it on the map.

**Sahib** · April 22, 2001, 15:46

What is it that makes you two liking each other like that? Come on, Ruffy, he had the choice between OTB and Formosa. He said "not OTB", now I believe you should be able to update the map even without further input by Snowie

**SnowFire** · April 22, 2001, 16:54

This reminds me of a lecture I heard recently by one Douglas Bridges, a professor from New Zealand visiting Oberlin (really screwed up implaceable accent, too. He was born in Scotland, went to college in England, and spent the last ten yeras of his life in NZ). Described as being on the "lunatic fringe" of mathematics by our own head of the math department, his lecture on Constructive mathematics basically detailed how it worked, and one of the more important parts was that Constructive mathematics denies the statement "P or not P." In other words, you have to actually prove P in constructive mathematics to show it, you can 't just show that not P is impossible and therefore P must be true (somehow). There were some interesting conclusions from this and then he showed how you can still do a lot of higher mathematics even without these assumptions we take for granted.

So, it seems RUFFHAUS is an advocate of constructive diplomatics. I'll oblige; the army retreats to Formosa (my previous comment referred to the fact that why should I give extra information to my opponents on what to build? Leave 'em in suspense.).

**RUFFHAUS8** · April 22, 2001, 17:15

Thank you. I'm a not a proponent of anything but a straight answer.

I always list OTB as a retreat option (like all other available choices) as is my standard process for adjudication. I do this because it an OTB retreat is often a valid tactical order and an option that some players never use, making me wonder if they know that they are allowed to. In any case I'm not trying to be insulting when I suggest it. I completely understand the option to use the retreat as has now been exercised. I'm not pushing either path. And I'm not the one who started with the sarcasim.

Map updated. Adjustments due Monday evening, thank you.
[This message has been edited by RUFFHAUS8 (edited April 22, 2001).]

**Defiant** · April 22, 2001, 17:40

Sahib,
I believe Ruff is only being gaming correctly, you say that in the WM tournament and they won't put up with it, you tell them what you are going to do, not what you don't do as a personal play technique.

**SnowFire** · April 22, 2001, 18:44

Sighhhhhhhhhhhh. Why am I always misinterpreted?

RUFFHAUS, I was not being sarcastic! I was not going against you. Of course you should list all the retreats. I would do the same thing. And you certainly shouldn't retreat for me. I was merely saying "bah" because the game isn't going terribly well at the moment. I wasn't annoyed at you for not retreating for me or anything. I was just saying that there's no way I would retreat OTB. This is because (with regards to the tactics mentioned earlier) retreating OTB is a valid tactical action only in Spring or if you have 0 builds or greater. This is to allow you to destroy a useless advanced unit so you can rebuild the unit at home. If you have disbands, then there's no reason to telegraph which unit you'll disband... so because of this, there was no way I'd retreat OTB. I added in a "bah" because I am now down to 1 SC. Since there was only one other retreat, I figured that would be enough. This was in no way an attack or a snide comment or whatever! Or at least I never intended it to be, scout's honor.

Defiant, yes, but this is not WM. Obviously for that I would submit retreats straight. This was an informal "post your retreat here" type thing. I mean look at all the banter in the threads for some of the World Diplomacy type threads, or some other things- "My glorious army advances to Formosa to raise an army of Argentinian partisans to strike at the evil government strangling Southern South America" or something. How is that any different from what I said, if not even more informal?

**RUFFHAUS8** · April 22, 2001, 19:20

Okay.

***End Is Forever*** · April 22, 2001, 19:29

Because your army isn't very glorious and the Chileans are evil?

**Chazzy** · April 22, 2001, 20:24

Now, now why would you want to pick on the peace loving people of Chile ? All we want is a little breathing room.... :=]

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