The World 1999 XXIII - Second Rebirth Continued

[Jools]

If you guys will want me to be GM I will no longer command PERSIA but i like being Gamemaster more...

ICQ UIN 8574909
email jools_jr@hotmail.com

I will create a new thread where you guys can throw meat at each other

And please, in order to restore ORDER, i wish you guys dont do the GM's job for him. I decide if someone's going over the edge. Contact me privately so as not to disturb the thread.

World 1999 Pointless Bickering Thread http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum19/H...tml?date=06:51
[This message has been edited by Jools (edited June 25, 2000).]

[Giancarlo]

Your Ukrainean fleet is practically destroyed...

Dateline
AF Government expects a Coup
The Arab Federation Government is expecting a coup in the Slav Confederation, the government will soon fall... this may be occuring right now although it is not visible to neighbors. We think that some good may be accomplished out of this... considering we spending 10X more on military then Ukraine (Saudi Arabia), we have a powerful military like Israel because we spend nearly 10% of our budget on military.

"Governments will fall, but new ones will rise to power, communism may rise again in Ukraine and Poland..."

AF SAM Sites Getting Ready...
We are expecting a surprise bombing run by the Slavic AirForce, our SAM Sites are on red alert and will expecting a bombing. Unfornately these SAM sites are modern and will take down any MiG-21, MiG-23, and MiG-29s sent at it. Our F-15s will do the rest of the work...

Air Defense Personel Created
A new force of
Enlisted: 64,800
SAMs: 66,700
AA Guns: 54,400

This is nearly twice as many SAMs that Ukraines has, there are nearly 1020 SAMs in Riyadh making it the most difficult place to bomb in the entire world... even harder then Hanoi in 1973, oil buys everything, except Saudi Arabia already had many SAMs bought from the late 70s and 80s. Attacking us would be like attacking Vietnam in the 70s, our nation is fully equppied for anything. But our economy is still flourishing since we are not using our resources to attack the SC....

Military Update
Army- 1,140,000
Navy- 66,800
AirForce- 77,000
AirDefense- 64,800
National Guard- 70,000
Expenditures of GDP- 10%

Economic Update
GDP- $540.6 Billion
Per Captia- $8,600
Growth Rate- +4.5%
Economy Affected by SC War: 2.5%-4% (Mostly trade with US or Japan, Although US is in the war was not attacked by the SC on land based modes. This is still a sizeable amount, and the SC will surrender or die if our economy keeps on getting slowed down)

[Jools]

quote: Attacking us would be like attacking Vietnam in the 70s, our nation is fully equppied for anything.---> But our economy is still flourishing since we are not using our resources to attack the SC....<----

Permit me to decide these things. Cause the above sounds just too good to be true
[This message has been edited by Jools (edited June 25, 2000).]

[Scott F]

OOC:
Just one thing: I have not advanced very far into the Slavic Confederate. I am letting my superior air power destroy everything within range that has tracks or wheels.

IC:
The German Navy has closed the straits and channels into the Baltic Sea to all Slavic vessels and all vessels sailing for the Slavic Confederate. This, combined with the presence of a US carrier battle group blockading the Baltic coast, should prevent the Slavic Confederate from getting any oil from Norway.

OOC:
Recall that Denmark was in my original claim. For all practical purposes, Germany dominates the Baltic trade. The Slavs are not going to be getting any help from Norway.

[Geography Dan]

OOC:
So Jools has declared himself supreme ruler of the universe and is now controlling what goes on in every nation. Well Jools, have fun running the story thread by yourself, there's no point in a story thread if everything's done for you; I'm out.


GScott told me he already quit this thread, now I'm quitting (unless I change my mind). I should never have tried to reason with these ignorant Poles. It's impossible.

[Luk]

I think Jools, that Germany has no power to attack SC, and I posted that we are attacking them... They have worser army, then Ukraine and Poland together, they could defend bravel, because they have good equipment, but the new Ukrainian equipment which changes the the old is as good as German...

And to GeoDan, better get out because it is bad with your realism...

And it is good that there is the mod, which can intervene in interial affairs, because we can not simply says that 100% people are supporting our gov...

And The Tactical bombers of SC, and Missles are attacking German fleet, and American, so the Slav Fleet has power to transport oil to Poland. I know that some vessels will be destroyed, but Im sure, that all transport will not be destroyed...

It is Baltic Sea, because in Black Sea there is the great Ukrainian Fleet, which is verrryyyy strong, thats why today Russia fights for Black Sea Fleet... (of course diplomatically). And such a blocade from Germany would be unpossible

As I said we are trying to transport fuel from Romania, and we want to but fuel from Iran, and Iraq...

The Slav Forces has freezed their offensive near Berlin, and Rostock, and in Chech Republic. They are simply bombarding this citities without using the worthly fuel to the attack...


[This message has been edited by Luk (edited June 25, 2000).]

[Geography Dan]

quote: Originally posted by Luk on 06-25-2000 05:34 PM And to GeoDan, better get out because it is bad with your realism...

Bad with my realism?

Well, Luk, I guess you just couldn't put up with a realistic opponent.

Luk and Jools, have fun dividing up the world by yourselves. Alas, this is yet another promising thread destroyed by the unrealism of a certain fascist Pole.

[Luk]

It is destroyed because of you...
6 millions in Army, oh God!!!!

[Geography Dan]

You can think whatever you want, you narrow-minded racist.

To everyone besides Luk and Jools; notably ScottF, Bolo, and Giancarlo:

It is obvious that even if this thread is not dead yet, it will die very soon. We should leave now and allow Luk and Jools to pettily continue on in their imaginary little world of Polish fascism.

[Scott F]

OOC:
Let us face facts.

1. The Slavic Air Force no longer exists.

2. The SC cannot afford enough good tanks to face Germany.

3. The Slavic Fleet is no match for an American carrier battlegroup.

4. The Russians will not like the Slavs using the Black Sea Fleet against the Americans.

5. Since Germany includes Denmark in this thread, the Slavs will never be able to get Norwegian oil into the Baltics.

6. The Slavic Navy has been destroyed by the Americans.

7. German and American aircraft rule the skies over the Slavic Confederate.

8. Germany (IRL) has ten MILAN anti-tank missiles for every tank in the Slavic Confederation. Luk's tanks are not advancing anywhere.

9. German troops are at the very least capable of defending Germany, if not advancing into the SC.

10. I control the Czech, Austrian, Danish, and German armaments industries, so I can easily build lots of tanks.

11. I can better afford tanks than Luk can.

12. German troops are better equipped and better trained (IRL) than those of the Ukraine, and are probably at least on par, if not superior, training-wise with Polish troops, and German troops are undoubtedly better equipped than the Slavic forces.

Luk shall either recognize these facts or recognize that he has killed this thread.

[Bearcat]

OOC: Man I go camping for a few days and I come back to a flame war. Anyway Jools would you stop ragging on the Baltic nations. They're recovering from the USSR. And just because they're small doesn't mean they're defenseless. Final country change : I am now Finland

IC

The Finnish government of President Tarja Halonen and Prime Minister Paavo Lipponen had watched as Europe descended into war. First the Slav Confederation had the ire to provoke a conflict by expelling native Germans. Than the United Baltic States had started to arm themsleves. Finally the Slavs attacked an American fleet lighting the fuse. The Slavs invaded the UBS, while the Germans invaded Slavic Poland.

At the moment tensions had cooled down. However the Finnish armed forces have been placed on high alert. Any attempt to attack Finland or violate her sovereignty in any way will be severly punished.

To Slav Confederation: Be warned that we have seen your trickery and deceit. While we remain neutral at the moment any attack on Finland will be punished.

To Germany: Greetings to our southern neighbor. While we applaud your attempts to secure safety for your people, your use of forces against refugees is unwise.

To UBS: Greetings to our Baltic brethern. Take heart that you have friends to the north. We will not your sovereignty be stripped from you as it has been in the past.

Suomen Tasavalta

[Giancarlo]

Dateline
Health Report
Doctors Per Person - 645 (US - 480, Irans - 1,980)
Hospital Beds Person - 435 (US - 380, Iran - 980)

We have simply focused on civil services more than military services. Jools, we have enacted several civil improvement reforms in the beginning of the start of our nation. We currently are at wartime, and it is costing extra to put extra AAGuns and SAM Sites up. Our Civil Services are by far the best in the Middle East right now.

OOC:
A Military Per Captia Lesson
Ok, listen up I learned about this in the last two forums I was in. There is something called a military per captia, and that is how spending is per infantry unit for example.

In Dollars:
Saudi Arabia - $1,600 (No Joke!)
Israel - $2,400 (NO JOke either!)
Ukraine - $40-$50
Poland - $110
Germany's - 5X Larger then Poland probably around $545
US - $1,050
Egypt: $220

In comparsion my Army could crush the one of Ukraines and Poland, but I am not involved Troop wise. The Per Captia also allocates how much equpiment and training is spent for each unit of infantry, artillery, and other things.

As for Jools, I don't want you ever controlling the news of my nation, or your nation will go by-by. As for that, I am cutting all help offered to your nation, because I could of improved your civil and military services but you just ticked me off. I am sorry but I do have a person to bicker now.. considering I have an year experience at this. I am also considering of leaving this thread... and joining some other one.. just don't contiune on with this absurdity.

[Geography Dan]

oops, double post
[This message has been edited by Geography Dan (edited June 25, 2000).]

[Geography Dan]

hey, Giancarlo, if you leave this thread, head on over to my Age of Fedualism thread!!

[Giancarlo]

(ooc)
Hate to break this to you, I am more for modern warfare especially that of todays...