Dip 48 "Newbie" spring03

[Sahib]

Headlines:
French army rolls over Germany, british no match!
English fleets unable to sail into battle!
Austrian fights a hopeless struggle, the end is near!
Italians finally break Habsburg resistance!

THE MOVES:

Russia (Napoleon)

A StP - Lvn
(A Mos - Sev) bounced by turkish A Arm
F Ber H
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Turkey (Sirotnikov)

F Bla sup A arm - sev
A arm - sev
A Gre - Alb
A Ser sup A Gre - Alb
F Bul sc - Gre
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Austria (Midshipman)

(A Vie - Tyr) bounce
(F Tri - Ven) bounce, dislodged by italian A Ven, destroyed
(A Alb - Tri) bounce, dislodged by turkish A Gre, destroyed
A Bud - Rum
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Italy (Mobius)

F TyrSea - Tun
A Ven - Tri
F Adr S A Ven
A Tyr S A Ven
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France (Yoav)

Hol - Kie
Ruh s Hol - Kie
Bel - Hol
Bre - Ech
Mar - Bur
Gas H
Wme - MAO
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England (Taurus)

(F Nth - Den) bounced own unit
(A Den - Kie) bounced by french A Hol
F Kie - Hel
(F Edi - Nth) bounced own unit
F Swe - Bal
F Lon H
A Nor H
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Germany:

A Mun H
A War H
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You will notice that the Italian supports for Ven were not stated correctly. Mobius, you have to state whether you support a unit´s move or a unit holding. But since this is a nwebie game, and I handled similiar cases very graciously (yes yes, Siro!) I decided to let the order stand. It is absolutely obvious and unmistakable what Mobius intended, so a pure formality should not destroy his game.

DEADLINES:
Fall moves are due next sunday, 6 pm eastern.
And before you start screaming again, dear Siro, I will probably not do the adjucation before monday evening!

[Sirotnikov]

I'm not screaming. who's screaming? DID YOU SEE ME SCREAMING? WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!! I AM NOT GOING TO RAISE MY VOICE!!! .....

ehm, yes.
I know you are great and wise and we don't really deserve your niceness. I'm just trying to deny it.

[LordStone1]

Actually, I beg to differ. When you write a support order, you don't have to state what the unit you're supporting will be holding or moving. This is especially useful when you're supporting a foreign unit. These are how support orders are adjudicated:

A Ven S A Tyr
(GM will assume that A Tyr will hold or support another unit. If A Tyr moves, then the support is void.)

A Ven S A Tyr H
(GM will assume A Tyr H. If A Tyr instead orders a support, the Venetian support stands. If A Tyr attempts to move, the support is void.)

A Ven S A Tyr-Pie
(If Tyr holds, the support is void.)

So, basically, there's no difference between "A Ven S A Tyr" or "A Ven S A Tyr H" but if A Tyr makes an unexpected move, the support is void, no matter what.

[Sahib]

Ahh, yes, maybe we misunderstood, LS. I should have pointed out better what I mean:

Mobius wanted Tyr to support Ven-Tri
He only ordered Tyr S Ven

Now, as you stated correctly, that would usually be a support for a holding or supporting unit. Not for a moving unit.

I accepted the order nontheless since this game is about learning, not being frustrated. It´s a newbie game. I had acepted other orders before that were not entirely correct, as long as they were unmistakeble. Wich is save to assume in this case here. I will however not accept the same mistake twice (a lesson poor Siro had to learn)

[RUFFHAUS8]

Spring 1903 Map:

http://www.geocities.com/ruffhaus8/ADCN/ADCNS03.gif

[Sahib]

BTW, if you send your moves early and mark them "final", I will adjucate early. I could so the resolution Friday, if I had all the moves. So hurry!

[MOBIUS]

quote: Originally posted by Sahib on 03-04-2001 05:52 PM Ahh, yes, maybe we misunderstood, LS. I should have pointed out better what I mean: Mobius wanted Tyr to support Ven-Tri He only ordered Tyr S Ven Now, as you stated correctly, that would usually be a support for a holding or supporting unit. Not for a moving unit. I accepted the order nontheless since this game is about learning, not being frustrated. It´s a newbie game. I had acepted other orders before that were not entirely correct, as long as they were unmistakeble. Wich is save to assume in this case here. I will however not accept the same mistake twice (a lesson poor Siro had to learn)

Thanks Sahib - I'll be more careful next time...