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  • #16
    No Leon! Eso no! Es traicion!

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    • #17
      Tecumseh: As far back as scenario making goes. Where can I find the best of the net collection?

      Elaw: ¿Traición por qué, ché? También tendrás un lugar en la historia, si te sigues portando mal con esos trollazos que me hacen
      II. 193 And fight them until there is no more tumult and oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.

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      • #18


        Yo digo al spanish site. Estamos en guerra con la SLeague.

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        • #19
          Where can I find the best of the net collection?

          In the /bestonet and /bestnet2 folders of your Civ2 installation, perhaps?

          Was there actually a non-gold MP edition?
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          • #20
            Was there actually a non-gold MP edition?
            Yes - I forked out $10 for it last year and it didn't work very well. Basically it seemed to be Civ 2 with the MP code enabled. I had to add the FW and CIC updates to it to get it to run scenarios.
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            • #21
              I did not know such a thing existed

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              • #22
                Jay Bee's The Quest For Eldorado, Mar 16, 1999 is the first 'Quest scenario', no unit builds were needed.
                I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                • #23
                  Yeah, Spartacus was the first to introduce file-switching. IIRC, you still had to build stuff.
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                  • #24
                    Chris, are you sure that the Sword of Shannara didn't come out before that?

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                    • #25
                      Jay has told me a few times he was the first, and I have always accepted that.

                      I can't say for certain though, not 100%.

                      I think all scenarios should list when their made (many do, it would be nice if they all did).
                      I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                      i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                      • #26
                        Well, those sticky "who-did-it-first" topics are one of the things I hope to shed light on...

                        But like I said, first things first.

                        Let's assume that a certain Mr. X does have MGE but not the MGE disk. Hence Mr. X does not have the best of the net scenarios. Where would Mr. X find said scenarios?
                        II. 193 And fight them until there is no more tumult and oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.

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                        • #27
                          On his FW and CiC disks.

                          You are extremely unlikely to find these scenarios because most people would pay to not play them.
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                          • #28
                            Don't be so harsh St Leo, some were... uhm... decent?

                            I'm with ElAwr, talk to your people first, León (hint, hint)


                            PS. Elodorado came out well before Shannara, at around the same time as Spartacus. Mine was inspired by Slash & Burn, best scenario ever. Beta versions of Eldorado appeared in the Fall of 98.
                            Last edited by Jay Bee; January 12, 2003, 10:00.

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                            • #29
                              There you go, from the scenario creator's own words.

                              Something I would like to see is a list, with creator name by time period of as many scenarios as we can find.

                              I find that I have a number of scenarios people never heard of, from obscure sites, or dead ones, things like that.
                              And I don't mean crummy stuff with no new units, I hate that myself.
                              I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                              i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                              • #30
                                Mine was inspired by Slash &
                                Burn, best scenario ever.


                                Third best. "The Mongols" and "Alba de América" are better.

                                As for the "quest" idea, I don't want to claim that Alex the Magnificent invented it. I'd be ready to appreciate the fact that he did, but I could imagine someone used something similar before. But he was the first to use this wide-spreadidly (horrible English!); "Spartacus" didn't introduce this, he used quests in his "Pelopponesian War" and "Quebec" scenarios, well before "Spartacus".

                                Something I would like to see is a list, with creator name by time period of as many scenarios as we can find.


                                If this helps you...
                                It's all I could gather. I stopped keeping track of it very early, and I lost some of my scenarios in a hard drive collapse (and, of course, I can't find the CD I burned all that on...), some dates are hypothetical, based on the creation of zip files and last modifications, but they harmonize with my memory. I don't know exactly when Sons of Heracles and Fire and Roses were released, but since that's not so long ago, it's still possible to find out. Alexander the Great versions 1.0 and 2.0 and the 3d Punic War are impossible for me... perhaps Jay Bee kept track, as he was the one who published them first. I can tell the month when The Holy Wars came out if the site it was on still exists, but that's only for the German version. Again, if anyone knows that for the English one, it'll be Jay Bee. Info on The Mughals and Iran is entirely lost (unless...).

                                Quest For Asia: The Persian Empire-March 13 1999
                                Artaxerxes-July 28(ish) 1999
                                Pharaoh-July 24 2001
                                Shaibani version 1.2-August 13 2001 (that's what the zip file says, at least)
                                Alexander the Great version 3.0-September 20th 2001
                                Darius the Great version 1.0-May 19th 1999
                                Darius the Great version 2.0-December 11th 1999
                                Darius the Great version 2.1-December 19th 1999
                                Darius the Great version 2.2-? (should be possible to find out though)
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