Upcoming scenario: Axis & Allies

[Palaiologos]

BRAZIL??????????????



Why the hell for?


Although they claim 1500 dead in WWII, they took part in no battle of the War. Prpably one of their ships was sunk by U-boats or something.


Suggestion: Go for Spain or Turkey. Germany wanted both these countries to enter the war on her side, but failed to persuade them. They could be potential allies for the Reich, in your scenario.

[Palaiologos]

Their place in the map should be taken by the neutrals or better yet, nobody.

[academia]

You are using a Gigamap, right?

BRAZIL??????
Personally, i think that neither Spain nor Turkey deserve to have a place in this game.

I don´t get it. Why do you want to use a Barbarian Civ? Why don´t you just use the 7th slot for Neutral Nations?

[Eivind IV]

Short Historical Note

Following the sinking of several Brazilian merchant ships by German and Italian submarines, close to her coast, Brazil entered the war early in 1942. An expeditionary force (the F.E.B.) was sent to Europe and also an Air Force group, which escorted merchant ship convoys, was brought into war service. Furthermore, the Brazilian Navy was active in the North and South Atlantic and in the Mediterranean, transporting the F.E.B. to Italy.

[Eivind IV]

...And if I want to make the scenario look like the board game Axis & Allies, China and Brazil are the two countries supported by the USA.

I am using the same map you are using for Iron Curtain

[Eivind IV]

Originally posted by academia
I don´t get it. Why do you want to use a Barbarian Civ? Why don´t you just use the 7th slot for Neutral Nations?

Again, I want the scenario to look like the boardgame, therefor I am making a passive civ called the neutrals.

[Galvatron]

Galvatron support the Italian idea. In most of the scens the Germans and Japs are fighting against the whole board so it might be good to give them a third ally. So in the name of game-balance and because I'm half Italian plz include "bella Italia.

*Galvy starts to wave the Italian flag*
*Forza Italia*

[ravagon]

I'd tend to leave Brazil out too - unless you were planning on adding Argentina (as the barbs perhaps?)?

[Eivind IV]

Argentina will be neutral, along with Spain, Saudia-Arabia, Sweden, Turkey +++

Italy will probably not be playable. That will make it too complicated. It's best to make Germany and Italy as one civ, since they where so close allies throughout the war.

I might go with Independent neutrals, instead of Brazil. That way I can also include Mexico (wich also was US supported during the war). I'll see...Much is still to do

[Galvatron]

Originally posted by Kobra
Italy will probably not be playable. That will make it too complicated. It's best to make Germany and Italy as one civ, since they where so close allies throughout the war.

It hurts me everytime when I see the Italians and Germans merged together. We have not very much in common with Germany and we deserve a slot on our own .

Well seriously speaking I don't get it why an Italian civ would be unplayable. What's the difference between them and let's say GB or US? To continue this idea you could also merge the whole world (USSR,GB,US,....) together in one civ and say: ha, they where allies throughout the war let's stick them all together. The Americans would be very thankful if their cities would wave the Russian flag and the same goes for the Italians: No Naziflag over the fine cities of Italy, we deserve the
"Tricolore Italiano"

Also I would suggest give Italy more units: The Allies combined have too many of them so how about reduce some and instead use them for Italy, how about the
L 3/35 or the M 13/40 or the famous assault gun Semovente 75/18 M42 and last but not least the M 15/42.

Give Italy a chance.

(We would deserve it more to be in a WWII scen than China. Because what was Chinas greatest achievement in the war besides crumbling before the Japs )

[Pap1723]

The biggest problem with Italy is they don't have enough cities to produce enough unit producing ability.

China has just as much of a right to be in as Italy does. They held off the Japanese despite having almost no technology to do it with.

There is also no one that China can be grouped with, they need to be a seperate civ, there just isn't enough civs allowed in Civ2.

Pap

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by Galvatron

We would deserve it more to be in a WWII scen than China. Because what was Chinas greatest achievement in the war besides crumbling before the Japs

The Chinese although ravaged by civil war and despite having a backward army, managed to inflict serious looses at the Japaneese. The Imperial army lost in the whole "China incident" about 400.000 men(dead only). And these were inflicted not only by guerilla warfare but pitched battles the Chinese won.

On the other hand the Italians were the laughing stock of WWII. They had a hard time defeating the spear-armed Ethiopians, they were defeated by the Greeks(who at least had gunpowder weapons), and crushed by the British(O'Connor-30.000 Brits attacked the Italian african "army" of 250.000 and annihilated it, capturing 150.000 prisoners.)

When the allies invaded Italy, the defense of their OWN country fell to the Wermacht instead of the unwilling macaroni-men.

Not mention their betrayal of their German allies in face of trouble(They did this on both World Wars).


Nothing personal.

[Eivind IV]

First of all, I know it might be painfull for you to see swastikas in your beuitiful cities, Galvatron. But that's the awful truth, you should just accept it. This is a historical scenario, then it's just natural to include those civs to make space for others.

Originally posted by Pap1723
...there just isn't enough civs allowed in Civ2.
Pap

Yes, that has always been a problem. Isn't there any way to hack that in any way?

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by Kobra
Yes, that has always been a problem. Isn't there any way to hack that in any way?

No, regretfully there isn't...

Some have tried (Julius, etc...) and nobody managed that! It has to do with the way the informations are stocked by the programm!

[Eivind IV]

That stupid Sid guy!