Bizarre bug (urgent help needed)

[Curumbor Elendil]

In creating a modpack for a large multiplayer game, I created five new units. When playing the modpack I began to notice that the Explorer unit was not available when it should have been. Some experimenting revealed that it was expiring with Polytheism!! So I tried changing the attack and defense ratings, movement rating, prereq, expiration tech, just about everything. I even tried creating a new explorer unit in a new slot. Nothing worked. The only thing I could do was to change the AI function from "attack" to "defense" - this made the Explorer expire with Gunpowder. This is still unacceptable, for obvious reasons (people often don't get to Seafaring before Gunpowder). Help me! The game starts Wednesday.

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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
ICQ 56126989

[William Keenan]

Does the unit have an expiration tech? What version of Civ are you using, ToT?

[Prometeus]

I experienced the same, after transforming in 0 movement point fortress four unused naval units - and I lost Horsemen and Chariots also... Unfortunately, this weird bug turned out to be permanent, as you can see in Antigonos.

[Jay Bee]

CE,

Clearly one of the 5 new units you created possess attributes that 'interfere' with those of the explorer. Try eliminating one of the new units at a time to find out the troublemaker. When you have done this, compare stats, domain, prerq with those of the explorer. Any inconsistency will immediately show.

[Curumbor Elendil]

quote: Originally posted by William Keenan on 01-22-2001 10:32 PM Does the unit have an expiration tech? What version of Civ are you using, ToT?

MGE. I tried various expiration techs: Guerrilla Warfare, nil, Flight... nothing worked.

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Curumbor Elendil
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ICQ 56126989

[Curumbor Elendil]

quote: Originally posted by Jay Bee on 01-23-2001 07:40 AM CE, Clearly one of the 5 new units you created possess attributes that 'interfere' with those of the explorer. Try eliminating one of the new units at a time to find out the troublemaker. When you have done this, compare stats, domain, prerq with those of the explorer. Any inconsistency will immediately show.

I tried eliminating them all, and even that didn't work. I assume the explorer must be interfering with one of the existing units whose attributes have been changed. It will be a Herculean task to figure out the culprit, since almost every unit has been changed in one or more ways.

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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
ICQ 56126989

[Curumbor Elendil]

Well, I solved the problem by returning the Explorer's movement rating to 1. I could have always postponed expiration by eliminating other multiple-move units after horse/chariot, but it wasn't worth it. I guess the game just says you can have only so many land units with more than one movement point.

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Curumbor Elendil
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jps35/
ICQ 56126989

[Thoddy]

quote: Originally posted by Curumbor Elendil on 01-23-2001 09:28 AM Well, I solved the problem by returning the Explorer's movement rating to 1. I could have always postponed expiration by eliminating other multiple-move units after horse/chariot, but it wasn't worth it. I guess the game just says you can have only so many land units with more than one movement point.

Try creating the explorer unit with movementpoint of 2+ in the slot of the knight unit.

[Chaos Warrior]

I noticed that, too... when creating scenarios, it happens that the Explorer gets obsolete early... even in my changed RULES for the SP game... hmm...