Zweiter WeltKrieg version 2.0

[kobayashi]

This is a picture of the Africa Front

[kobayashi]

This is a screen capture of the Western Front

[kobayashi]

And finally the Eastern Front

[Henrik]

Where is the download link?

[kobayashi]

Sorry about that, I lost my uplink halfway through my posting session.

There are two tech tree posters and here is a bit of it to give you an idea of what they look like.




Also, I have made a patch zip for previous players of ZWK so they don't have to download the 2MB file. The patch works version 1.1 or above.

Last but not least, the place to get it:

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2scenmod.shtml#zwk

[Henrik]

I found a minor "error", i think the "Z3/Eniac" wonder should be called either Z3/Eniac/Collosus or Z3/Collosus
Collosus was a british computer completed before the Eniac, it was used to crack the far more advanced encryption use only by Hitler himself and his generals/field masrschals.

The Collosus was destroyed after the war and so was all the blueprints for it, it was kept a secret by the brittish government untill quite recently.

Also why do the allies lose if the soviets take Berlin?
Thats what happened in reallity

[kobayashi]

Henrik, that was really fast, you were just asking where to download it from an hour ago.

I was wondring whether to include the collosus or not, but I thought it was a code breaking machine not a computer. i.e. it was a special purpose machine and could not be programmed for other things. Of course I could be wrong.

Allies lose because the cold war starts once the soviets get to Berlin and they could have prevented it - or atleast made the warsaw pact smaller. There was also somewhat of a race to get to Berlin in the actual world (some people think the Allies got sidetracked by rumours of a secret mountain last retreat???). In the game it stops the Allies from helping the Soviets more than they should. If not Allies will give lancaster, superfortress and everything else to soviets and then sit back.

[Henrik]

Well, acording to "The Code Book" by Simon Singh (a book about cryptography (or is it cryptology?) through history) which is where I heard of it the Collosus was (note: this quote is from the swedish translation) : "adaptable" and "what we today would call a programable computer".
Further into the text he says that:
"But more important the than the increased speed was the fact that the Collosus could be programed".

[Case]

Originally posted by kobayashi
There was also somewhat of a race to get to Berlin in the actual world (some people think the Allies got sidetracked by rumours of a secret mountain last retreat???).

Its generally agreed that if the Western Allies went all out in March-April '45 they could have easily beaten the Soviets to Berlin. The Allies had a complete set of plans for an airborne assult on the city which almost certainly would have been sucessful. However, the Western Allies political leadership made a deliberate decision to stop at the Elbe and let the Soviets take the city. Whilst the reported 'national rebout' in southern Germany did cause the Allies a lot of grief, all that happened was that Patton's army was diverted to secure the area. Had Berlin been a priority, some of Patton's troops would have been diverted north

I hope you found that history lesson informative

[kobayashi]

History aside, the game won't work if the Allies and Soviets don't mind who gets to Berlin first. Then history would just repeat itself as the Axis are doomed before they even start. I might as well have made the soviets and allies one tribe if there is no race to berlin. Since this is history led by alternate personalities (thats my wildcard that lets me do anything) I guess the race to Berlin is not too outrageous a goal.

Having said that, I do not dispute what everyone has said about how it really happened.

[Henrik]

Did you read my reply about the Collosus?

[kobayashi]

Originally posted by Henrik
Well, acording to "The Code Book" by Simon Singh (a book about cryptography (or is it cryptology?) through history) which is where I heard of it the Collosus was (note: this quote is from the swedish translation) : "adaptable" and "what we today would call a programable computer".
Further into the text he says that:
"But more important the than the increased speed was the fact that the Collosus could be programed".

Sorry for the delay. I had to dig my book out from some box. The book I have by Simon Singh is called "The Science of Secrecy". But I think we are referring to the same book. The exact english version reference to the Colossus is

"...It's specific purpose was to decrypt messages encrypted by the German Lorenz SZ40 machine, so it was not designed as a general purpose computer. Nevertheless, it was programmable, some programs being implemented through permanent wiring......"

I suppose Singh is an authority on cryptology but the fact that he doesn't even know of the existance of the Z3 which was programmable through punchtape and had a floating point processor and was built years earlier does not give me too much faith in his claim that it was the birth of the modern computer.

For the purposes of the game either Z3/Eniac or Z3 Colossus would do but since there is another wonder called Enigma Decoding, I think I will just keep the Eniac there (hey I'm PENN alumni you know!)

once again, thanks for the close attention that you paid to the scenario.

p.s. see this page

http://irb.cs.tu-berlin.de/~zuse/Konrad_Zuse/index.html

[Chris 62]

Why is your sig your name backwards?

[kobayashi]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Why is your sig your name backwards?

a. legacy from earlier posts on Homeworld forums
b. lack of knowledge to put moving pictures
c. lack of imagination
d. all of the above.

do you want to poll the audience, call a friend or use the 50/50?

and the answer is d.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by kobayashi


a. legacy from earlier posts on Homeworld forums
b. lack of knowledge to put moving pictures
c. lack of imagination
d. all of the above.

do you want to poll the audience, call a friend or use the 50/50?

and the answer is d.

Is that your Final answer?