...the next Rome thread

[BeBMan]

Ok, same subject, new thread and new preview

The pic is close to the playable version of Imperium Romanum V2.0, in the very first turns of the scn. You can see some Etruscans and Samnites (green) as well as some Greeks, Gauls and the first of three different Legion units.

Stefan, if you read this: Your map about Hellas in the time of the royal peace was very useful, but I´ve a question about it. Some of my books say that the Ionian Greek cities were again under Persian control that time, but the map shows many of them in yellow=independent, so they are currently also independent in the scn. Is this correct?

Another question: have you an idea about Egyptian leader names during their independance from Persia?

[Stefan Härtel]

There is a red dotted line marking the western borders of the Persian empire determined on the Antalcidas Peace, 386 BC. This includes Ionia. I don't know why Ionia is independent on this map.

Amyrtaios 404/01-399
Nepherites I. 399-393
Hakoris 393-380
Psamuthis ("Gegenkönig"?) 393-392
Nepherites II. 380
Nektabenos I. 380-362
War against Persia
Teos 364/62-360
Nektabenos II. 360-342
Persians conquer Egypt under Artaxerxes III. Ochos (359-338)
Chababash (Revolting against Persian rule under Arses and Darius III.)


Awesome screenshot!!!

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[This message has been edited by Stefan Härtel (edited August 05, 2000).]

[SCDARS]

Wow! I could not belive that the graphic could be much better than it had been before, but now I know I was wrong...
Really Excellent!

Some progress regaring the first beta version? I hope "close" means a release date of tomorrow or this evening

[Leonidas]

It looks very nice - hope it will be ready for release soon

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[C0ckney]

Blimy,
it looks amazing can't to play it,

P.S will there be an English version?

[C0ckney]

sorry that should have read

"can't wait to play it"

its 3am gimme a break

[Shadowstrike]

Speaking of Rome, isn't Rome misspelled? Looks great. Better then the last preview. Will playtest if allowed.

[BeBMan]

Thanks for the comments!

The work goes well at the moment, but this time a lot depends on the events, so I have to assure that they basicly running before I send the scn to the testers.

Shadowstrike and Cockney: currently the scn is only in German (therefore: Rom - its the German spelling ), its easier for me when I haven´t to fight against spelling errors during the creation. But the translation starts when most things runs fine, so that both the German and the English version will be released at the same time...

[Prometeus]

Neat preview, BeBro...

[BeBMan]

Hi again, I need some ideas for the Rome events in the beginning. Currently, Romans receive a new units for killed Samnites and Etruscans so that they are able to survive (and more ). This means also that this support is only available to conquer Italy, because Samnites and Etruscans are created in Italian cities only, so the player get this help only in the beginning of the scn...

But what units should I give the Romans? Currently they get a new Legion for Samnites, but what for Etruscans? Also Legions seems stupid, so I changed it to Velites but they are to weak to provide real help.
Question: were defeated Etruscans part of the Roman army (as Auxilia)? I´ve read that these Auxilia units were mostly heavy cavalry but also light infantry (as archers or spearmen)...suggestions? Thanks

[Shadowstrike]

The Romans learned the useage of chariots from the Etruscans and the phalanx from the Greeks (for a while legions were composed of hoplites). Other then that, I don't know too much about the history of early Rome.

[BeBMan]

Thanks!

So I think I´ll create some heavy cavalry for the killing of Etruscans. I can give the player a text message like: "Rome´s allies providing new cavalry" or so...

BTW, I´ll support the Macedonians in the same way with additional units. And with separate events files for Romans and Macedonians the AI controlled civ of them will receive much more support...

[Stefan Härtel]

The cavalry was the most important unit in early Rome's army, and the men were also on the most highly regarded social level.
The Etruscans taught the Romans the Greek march formations. After they learned this, the infantry became more important than the cavalry, thus the most important warriors were the peasants. The aristocrats were still members of the cavalry.
The infantry was divided into 3 units of 1,000 men, commanded by people of their level, so-called plebejans.
Then, at the end of the 4th century, the army was reformed again but the author of my book doesen't mention in what way.
Hope this helps.

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[Prometeus]

Stefan, you're wrong about the infantry's legion composition... The hastati were composed of 1200 men, same for the second line ( the principes ), then the third line ( the triarii ) that was composed of 600 mens... So 3000 men for legion.

[Shadowstrike]

Funny, I always thought a legion was 6000 men. Furthermore, the composition of the legions changed often in the early period of Rome. At least that's what I think I know.