New scenario: Greek war of independence 1821-1832

[Varwnos]

Hello, this is a thread about my scenario "Greek war of independence: ressurection of a nation". I have been working on it for some time and i estimate that it will be ready for release in December. Here is a screen cap so that you can see what it looks like

features:

-new city graphics (made by me, but edited by other ones)

-new units made by me

-7 nations: southern greeks, ottoman empire, vilaeti of Ioannena, macedonian greeks, island greeks, egyptians, and epirotan greeks

-Big and very nice map of Greece

-many new terrain, including Greek monument and Villages

-many extras, like Walls and different types of castles



i am looking forward to your replies, do note that the colours in the pic are a bit messed up since i had to save it as a bitmap with only 265 colours, to minimise it

[Varwnos]

I would welcome any reply

This is a scenario made only for one reason: out of love, and the will to give something back to the civ2 community

In the past i can remember times when i had problems but could always relax while playing some great civ2 scenarios, like DAROAE. With my own scenario i am hoping that i can do just that for others, although ofcourse the best thing by far is that one doesnt have any problems at all, and only plays civ2 for pure fun! But this is my own way of completing a circle in my life, i am 24 now, a graduate of philosophy, and thankfully happy and optimistic

[gerryandersson]

Good to see you found your way from civfanatics.
I will post my future comments and recomendations here, I kinda like this forum bether (not that there is any thing wrong with civfanatics forum)

[Varwnos]

thank you for supporting me everywhere Gerry

i am open to any suggestions, btw you didnt say how you found the mini map, although i have to say that the map is really great!

you can also see the new greek unit (top) and the edited version of the greek leader unit

[gerryandersson]

The mini-map is in the screen shot

[Varwnos]

heh

i meant what you thought of it! (but anyway you replied in the civfanatics forum)

However up to now it doesnt seem that many are willing to comment on my scenario. I was hoping to recieve more feedback, but anyway its still early days

-progress report: i had a look at the industrial unit collection here and i picked 3-4 units from here and there for my scenario I even found something to represent lord Byron, although it wasnt originally made for that purpose

[Arthedain]

Which civ/civs are playable?
I thought all of Greece were going to be one civ but obviously I don't know much about this war

[Stefan Härtel]

Cool, Greek windows
Seriously, this sounds and looks promising. If you need any help, you can ask me.

[Shaka Naldur]

I like the screenshot but with nothing more you won't have a lot of feedback

go for it and finish it

[Varwnos]

I could make all of the greeks just one civ, but then there would only be 3 civs in the game, which would be a bit boring

Also historically the leadership was rather loose, and moreover the revolutionw as crushed in macedonia and in northern epiros (epiros= north-western part of Greece), so they can be seen as somewhat individual revolutionary movements. There was also a revolution in Crete, but that also failed ultimately.

I plan to make all civs playable, but the fun ones really are only:

1) southern greeks (protagonist)

2) island greeks (control the bulk of the naval units, but arent near any easy conquest)

3) vilaeti of Ioannena (a "vilaeti" was a governing sector in the ottoman empire, and the vilaeti of Ioannena -in epiros, Ioannena is the main city- was one of the strongest. It rebelled at the time of the greek revoltuion, but was crushed in 1822)


Probably the epirotan greeks will also be somewhat fun, but the macedonian greeks are doomed to be crushed (too near Thessaloniki and the bulk of the ottoman army) whereas the egyptians are only there because an egyptian army was called in by the ottomans to help, and the ottoman empire itself possibly wont be really fun to play, since it serves mostly as a means of preventing the other "nations" from running into each other easily.

Ofcourse i understand perfectly that if one is a turk he will want to play as the ottoman anyway, so i will try my best to make them playable, since scenario's are meant to be the most fun they can be (also i have very bad memories of desperately trying to save the byzantine empire and failing in the "fading lights" scenario, heh)



note to Hartel: sorry if i am wrong, are you the one who made DAROE? or are you the one who made the darius&xerxes etc scenarios? (or both?!)

as for help:

yes, i can always try to make everything myself (not true, i already picked up some units from these forums ) but i certainly welcome any help, i particularly am looking for ottoman units of the period, and also some albanian unit. Also any suggestions of a cool cannon unit is also very welcome (i am not sure how many cannons the greeks had, i only know that some cannons also arrived with Lord Byron, and will have them as seperate units, so an english cannon of the period is also needed)

i am looking forward to reading your replies, and thanks for the support!!!

[Heresson]

Daroe was made by Mathias Koester.
And Fading Lights was made by me, he he he.
I'm happy to see a new scenario creator, especially a Greek one, and especially one that makes scenarios about Greece.
I'm looking forward to seeing your work. Once I even considered - not alone - building a scenario about that.

[fairline]

Varwnos: both Palaiologos and Tanelorn had part-finished (?) Greek War of Independence scenarios; you may want to touch base with them for ideas.

I drew an Ottoman Janissary which I no longer have on my HD - if you search the graphics threads you can find it.

Good luck with the scenario!

[Heresson]

The map looks so nice, but graphics need improving

[Varwnos]

thanks for the support everyone

And yes, i agree that most of the graphics i made need to be improved. Especially the city walls. As things stand now the only really finished graphics are:

-cities

-villages

-terrain in general

and some of the greek units, but not even all that can be seen in that pic!

To fairline: yes, i already picked your janissary unit and it is almost certain that i will use just that, since it looks very nice

To Heresson: I really had a nightmarish time trying to save the empire in your scenario!!! and moreover i failed.. hm, on the other hand i also plan to use similar event tactics to multiply the greek army, which is why the unit "rebel village" is there, so each time one is attacked the southern greeks get some units. Historically this happened ofcourse, and also the fighters left from the failed revolution in macedonia also went down to the Pelloponese to continue the war there.
But one has to strike a balance between being historical and making the scenario fun (historically the entire pelloponese apart from the city of Tripolis was in the hands of the greek army only a few weeks after the start of the war, then Athens was liberated, and then for the next 4 years it was a stalemate, until the battle of Navarino where the fleets of Britain, France and Russia completely destroyed the Ottoman fleet, effectively ending the war. Ofcourse they didnt do it out of kindness, but because the greek shiplords had turned their fleet into pirate ships, and were hurting the business of the great powers in the meditterenian)

ps: if you have any "wall" unit to propose i will gladly have a look, since i am not sure that i can really improve my own wall very much

[Varwnos]

progress report

Been working on some of the units, and picked some new ones from here and there, check the zip file and tell me what you think of them