It's a bird! It's a plane!

[Goingonit]

It's... 4 planes!

Here's the problem: I have to give stats to the F-15, F-16, Su-27, and MiG-29 for my new scenario. Right now, the stats are in the neighbourhood of 15 attack, 8 defense (not x2 vs. air) and 16 movement. Can you suggest stats for each of these fighters or, failing that, tell me which should be better?

[Case]

When is the scenario set? - all those aircraft have evolved considerably since they were first introduced in the later 70s/early 80s

Personally, I think that the Su-27 should have the same attack and slightly higher defence values then the F-15, and that the MiG-29 and F-16 should have the same stats.

[Dr. Nick]

It's BICYCLE REPAIRMAN!

[Goingonit]

The scenario's roughly 1984.

But what about the F-15 in relation to the F-16, and SU-27 in relation to the MiG-29?

[St Leo]

Lawrence, could you explain your post?

[Case]

Originally posted by Goingonit
The scenario's roughly 1984.

OK. In that case the F-16 should primarily be a ground attack plane, and the Soviets shouldn't have many MiG-29s (you may want to check when the MiG-29 and Su-27 was introduced - for some reason I'm thinking that they weren't common until 1987+ )

But what about the F-15 in relation to the F-16, and SU-27 in relation to the MiG-29?

The F-15 and Su-27 were almost exclusively used as air superiority fighters, and lacked the avionics and hard points needed to serve as bombers. The F-16 was primarily a light attack fighter, and had only a secondary air to air capability thanks to its Sidewinder missiles and crappy radar. The MiG-29 was an all purpose fighter, and was great in the air to air or air to ground roles.

To convert this into civ stats, how about the following? (note: I'm using huge numbers to make comparisons easy )

F-15: A: 50 D: 50, HP: 5 FP: 5 air to air flag on
Su-27: A: 45 D: 55, HP: 4 FP: 5 air to air flag on

F-16: A: ? [this depends on how tough your ground units are], D: 50, HP: 4, FP: 3?
MiG 29: A: 40, D: 45, HP: 3 FP 3? air to air flag on

The lower hitpoints for Soviets is meant to reflect their lousy maitance facilities and the generally inferior structual quality of their aifcraft.

[Case]

BTW, check out: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/index.html for information on these planes

[Goingonit]

I'm already using the FAS site as my main source of military info. Thanks, though.

I'll implement your ideas. Now, how about 2 more planes:
Mirage III in comparison, and F-4 Phantom II?

Thanks everyone for your help!

[Case]

Originally posted by Goingonit
Now, how about 2 more planes:
Mirage III in comparison, and F-4 Phantom II?

Well, the Mirage III was obselete by 1984, so it's stats should be quite low

How about: A: 25, D:15 [the Mirage was a lousy dogfighter], HP 2 FP 2

The Phantom was old, but remained an extreamly capable aircraft.

How about: A: 35 D:30 HP: 3 [or 4?], FP: 4

[Paul Hanson]

Originally posted by St Leo
Lawrence, could you explain your post?

It's an old Monty Python sketch. "Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's bicycle repairman!"

[Goingonit]

I looked at various things (such as the OOB) and decided to replace the SU-27 with the SU-25 Frogfoot (lovely name!) to act as a Russian fighter/bomber.

Here are the SU-25 and Mirage III.

[Case]

SU-25 Frogfoot (lovely name!)

The Russians didn't choose it Frogfoot was the name that NATO assigned to the aircraft.
It certainly beats the Su-17(?) ******

[Goingonit]

Where did NATO get the names? Fencer? Frogfoot? Fulcrum? Fishbed? Fishpot?

And it's the MiG-15 Fagot.

[Case]

Originally posted by Goingonit
Where did NATO get the names? Fencer? Frogfoot? Fulcrum? Fishbed? Fishpot?

From what I understand, they wanted easy to pronounce names that were unlikely to be normally usedby pilots. Soviet fighter names started with F, bombers with B, cargo/special purpose planes with M, heliopters with H and so on.

The modern, commercial savvy Russian aircraft manufacturers now name their own planes

[Prometeus]

Su-25... Russian gruntos nicknamed it "Schiacciapatate" *in afghan conflict. More akind then several NATO nicknames for western planes...


( "Potato-masher" *)