New Scenario; Beta-testers?

[Exile]

I've created a scenario called, "THE MODERN AGE." It runs from 1483-1740. It's large, w/most player positions having 25+ cities. I've tweaked it some. Not enough. Anyone else want to try it? I can be contacted at Exile1957@aol.com

Thanx,
Exile

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[jcarkey]

Sure, I'll give it a whirl. My e-mail is jcarkeys@dogtowndigital.com

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[KhanMan]

Sure, I'll try it out.

Do you need more suggestions about tweaks and twists, I take it?

My email is:

khanmaned@hotmail.com

[Exile]

Well, Khanman, I tried to send it to you, but it was apparently too big. Within 30 seconds after sending it, I received the mailer-daemon thing telling me the files I attempted to send exceeded the available space somewhere for somebody. If you know of another way to receive this beast of a scenario, feel free to clue me in and I'll gladly try to get you the latest version. Yes, you're correct. I am still tweaking it and testing it myself, playing the different players to see when techs are likely to be gained, who attacks whom, how fast the various processes sort themselves out, etc.

I am apparently something of a perfectionist when it comes to scenario design. If its not just right--I'll keep at it until it is.

(edit) If I were to separate the sound file folder from the rest of it, would that make the entire package significantly smaller? If you think that may be the answer, let me know, I'll try it, and we can see what happens.

Thanx anyway,
Exile

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[This message has been edited by Exile (edited December 17, 2000).]

[Stefan Härtel]

Send it over to me, I'll upload it to the net

[Stefan Härtel]

http://members.nbci.com/SHaertel/1483test.zip

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[St Leo]

Hmm, the timeframe is similar to the scenario I am developing right now.

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[St Leo]

Your URL doesn't work.

[Exile]

St. Leo is correct, Stephan. Neither of the links works when I try them. This is not actually a bad thing. Working feverishly over the last 2 days, (for no apparent reason other than pathological compulsion), I have a better version of the scenario. Please contact me and I'll send you the newest version to link to. The generous and knowledgeable Jesus Munoz Fernandez has graciously offered a wealth of criticism which I immediately implemented in the new version. A few (*gasp*) terrain features have been altered. Some cities at start have changed hands, including Calais & the Spanish Netherlands, Nice, Spolatto, and Cartagena. Deserts are now DESERTS and many of the resources have been altered to better reflect commercial realities during the period.

I got fed up w/seeing every unit in the game wander off into deep deserts and plod around ad ifinitum. Elephant units, theoretically consuming tens of thousands of gallons of water EVERY DAY would be constructed, and then promptly traipse off into the vast Sahara or Arabian deserts and apparently just "hang out" for a decade or so. This is not good. I made the desert squares bad. They are now DESERTS. The only thing that could make them worse is if units remaining in a desert square for more than 1 turn suffered damage or were just eliminated. Too bad the game can't do that, or I would have it done. The histories are clear--deserts are, for large armies, death. No food, no water, no shade. Lawrence of Arabia was RENOWNED for his ability to cross a relatively small desert with a coherent military force, and not a very big one, at that. This was in the 20th CENTURY! And the troops he used were about the best that could be had in the entire world for the purpose! Bedouins. (sp?) And he was fighting the Turks! The sad fact is, however, that with the default Civ2, every unit in the game is led by Lawrence or some similarly-inspired lunatic, who believes that 2 or 3 thousand miles of sun-baked sand is not a problem for a large army to traverse.

From the Office of the Armchair General,
Exile

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[KhanMan]

Exile-Sorry about that: my hotmail account is always chopping things up...if you could send me just the scenario, text, and graphics, I would be greatful.

Steffie-Nice try, but it looks like good ole nbcxoom.com gobbled up your link again...



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[Exile]

Ok, it's ready to go out. Anybody want a copy see my email address in the first post in the thread. Khanman a copy is on its way.

Wrestling w/creation,
Exile

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[This message has been edited by Exile (edited December 24, 2000).]

[KhanMan]

Okay, I finally beat the storms of North Texas to return to home, hearth, and civ, and I'm loving the beginning of my playtesting session of this scenario.

Exile-Do I have your permission to try to upload a copy to host on my site? It would, of course, be labeled as a work of yours...

Will send my comments via email soon, when they are more codified . Thanks for the fun

-KhanMan

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[Exile]

Actually, Khanman, like all perfectionists, I'm not done yet. Seriously, The version you have is a good one, not a great one. Continued playtesting (by yours truly in the last few days) has led me to make several more tweaks. I am certainly enthusiastic about the idea of putting the thing up on the net for all to enjoy, but please, let me send you the latest version I have.

In the version you have, too often the HRE would begin to build the Voyages wonder (Magellan) and, because they used the War w/the Turks wonder (King Rich), they would often complete it before the actual period maritime powers could. Same w/France, but w/out the War /w Turks wonder. Taking Navigation away from them both at the beginning did the trick, and served other purposes as well. I've also done a few tech tweaks, mainly to place significant techs out of reach for the first 50 turns or so. At any rate, the resultant scenario now maintains a stronger verisimilitude to the period; Allowed to run, the Turks actually DO converge on Vienna and attack it strongly for many turns. The Berbers DO lose Granada, sometimes even by 1492. And I have seen the the Voyages wonder built by that same year as well. My aim in this, of course, is to create a scenario that will, when given its rein, closely duplicate the actual events in history.

I am getting closer w/every day spent tweaking it.

Thanks,
Exile

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[This message has been edited by Exile (edited December 28, 2000).]

[St Leo]

BTW, I cannot playtest this since I don't have MGE.

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[Exile]

Too bad, St. Leo, I was hoping for some of your wisdom. Oh, well, suppose I'll have to do without it. BTW, how do I find your Imperial Ambitiion scenario? I followed the link, but wasn't able to locate it on the site.

Salutations,
Exile