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[klesh]

Nope, thats the Wermacht's role that is set to 3 to fool the Ai with the Knight/ Musketeer thingy... the cost is set at 20.

But for the IS-2 defense check these stats out.

IS-2
Crew 4
Armament
Main :122 mm
Secondary: 1 x 12,7 mm, 3 x 7,62 mm
Armour: 20 - 160 mm
Dimensions
Length 9,83 m
Height:2,73 m
Width : 3,07 m
Weight 46.000 kg
Horsepower ?
Transmission 10
Max speed: 37 km/h
Range : 150 km


PzKw VI E
Crew 5
Armament
Main: 8,8cm KwK36 L/56
Secondary: 2 x 7,92mm MG34
Weight (tons) 57
Length (metres) 8,45
Width (metres) 3,7
Height (metres) 2,93
Speed (km/h) 38
Range (km) 140
Armor (mm) 25 - 100


Notice that the IS-2 has 60mm more armour in spots than the Tiger. Granted, the Germans lost their Tiger II for this version which is more comparable to the IS-2. Maybe the Kv-1 would be a better choice, but I would think you would want the Soviets to have to wait a loooong time before they get their heavier tank.
And then the Kv-1 isnt nearly as hardcore as the Tiger....

Are you suggesting the Tiger and the IS-2 have the same defensive stats?

-FMK.

[klesh]

I think I will make the 105mm Wespe have the same attack (14) as the other Assault type ign. city walls units (Mobile Howitzer and Katyushas). This will also have to raise its cost to 90 shields, the same as the others. Ok? Also note the costs for the IS-2 and Tiger I's were changed to be the same.

Also, I am going to continue to update that list above... so everyone keep an eye on it as the stats will be changing.

-FMK.

[Case]

Could you reduce the Katusha and Wespe's moves to 2? 3 seems a bit excessive.

The Zero is also too strong in 2194 days, so perhaps you can tone that down a bit. (see the 'most dominant fighter ever' thread on the OT)

BTW, from what you've posted the Me-262's range is set to 3 - is this a typo?

Re the IS-2. From memory, the IS-2 was specifically designed to counter the Tiger, so their stats should be close. While Tiger boasted a more sophisticated gun and better made armour, the IS-2 made up for this through its heavier calibre gun and thicker armour. In addition, I think that the IS-2 was more reliable and was build in far greater numbers then the Tiger.

[klesh]

Originally posted by Case
Could you reduce the Katusha and Wespe's moves to 2? 3 seems a bit excessive.

I assume you want me to do the same to the American's Mobile Howitzer unit? I consider it to be in the same class as the 105 Wespe and Katyushas.

I try to group units into simmilar unit-types and then, within that group, I try to reflect any historical differences.

The Zero is also too strong in 2194 days, so perhaps you can tone that down a bit. (see the 'most dominant fighter ever' thread on the OT)

Well, seeing as the zero had no self-sealing fuel tanks and no armour whatsoever, I could bring its defense down from 4 to 3. But, the Japanese are supposed to be at their peak of fighting when the scenario starts, so why reduce their early fighter's stats. Maybe make the Zero more costly, such that the Japanese player must try to discover their Ki-84 Hayate, which would be a better plane at only slightly higher cost? Nick, what exactly do you mean by tone down, there are several ways to do this in the rules.

BTW, from what you've posted the Me-262's range is set to 3 - is this a typo?

No, thats it's movement allowance. The range is set to one.

Re the IS-2. From memory, the IS-2 was specifically designed to counter the Tiger, so their stats should be close. While Tiger boasted a more sophisticated gun and better made armour, the IS-2 made up for this through its heavier calibre gun and thicker armour. In addition, I think that the IS-2 was more reliable and was build in far greater numbers then the Tiger.

Tiger I Tank, nil, 0, 2.,0, 12a,9d, 4h,3f, 11,0, 0, Ldr, 000000000000000
IS-2 Heavy Tank,nil, 0, 2.,0, 13a,10d, 4h,3f, 11,0, 0, Med, 000000000000000

Does this accomplish what you are talking about? They cost the same, but the attack and defense are both +1 for the IS-2.

Main gun: 88mm / 122mm = +1 attack for the IS-2.
Armour: 25-100mm / 20-160mm = +1 defense for the IS-2.


Anyone else? Gotta speak up now y'all.

-FMK.

[klesh]

Or...

I could replace the TigerI with the TigerII. Doesnt make sense to have a 'II' without a 'I', but it would be more of a match to the IS-2 in the 'Heavy Tank' department. This is just a thought...

-FMK.

[Pap1723]

I think it is a good idea since the Tiger I was plagued by constant problems, and other than being a bigger tank than the Panther, it wasn't necesarily better. The Tiger II, while not built in high numbers, took the best of the Tiger I and the Panther in its design.

The only problem I can see is that the Tiger II needs to be more expensive than the Tiger I and the Is-2 becuase it was such a complex design and it took a lot of resources to build.

Pap

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Case
BTW, from what you've posted the Me-262's range is set to 3 - is this a typo? .

No, it's my idea.
The plane was designed as a point defense interceptor, and it ate fuel like a bastard.
Now it get's a shot at planes nearby, but it is no hunter.

[klesh]

I think that was just Case misreading the stats.. in any event here are another set of changes.

TigerI is going to be replaced by the Königstiger. Same stats as the IS-2.

The jets are to be intercepters, but I will give them both +1 movement now... Meteor gets move 5, Me262 gets move 4.

Also been editing the new Curt Sibling B-17 to replace the old Nemo one as well.

-FMK.

[Case]

OK, good ideas with the Me-262 and Tiger II

I meant to include mobile artillery in the list of units whose moves should be changed.

Could you reduce the attack value of the He-177? The aircraft was a real turkey, and definetly wasn't in the same league as the Lancaster or B-29

[Pap1723]

Case,
That is a good point about the He-177. It had millions of technical problems and the only way to show that is to lower it's attack rating!

Good call.

Pap

[MagyarCrusader]

Yes, three cheers for the Tiger II, the greatest tank in WW2... next to the Turan II.

[MagyarCrusader]

Could you reduce the attack value of the He-177? The aircraft was a real turkey, and definetly wasn't in the same league as the Lancaster or B-29

If you want to get picky, couldn't you just replace the He-177 with the Junkers 88? Weren't the Junkers used more anyway?

[Case]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader

If you want to get picky, couldn't you just replace the He-177 with the Junkers 88? Weren't the Junkers used more anyway?

The Ju-88 was a relatively short ranged tactical bomber, and the He-177 was the closest the Germans came to a strategic bomber.

The Germans did produce some other designs (The Amerika bomber for instance), but the He-177 was the only one to actually enter production (over a thousand were built). The He-177's problems were mainly based around the over-ambitious engine arrangement, and the fact that for some insane reason, the Luftwaffe wanted the aircraft to be a dive bomber as well as a strategic bomber!

[Case]

Originally posted by MagyarCrusader
Yes, three cheers for the Tiger II, the greatest tank in WW2... next to the Turan II.

The Sentinal would have kicked its arse!

[Chris 62]

I have to disagree boys, about the 177.

If you penalize it, you must also do the same for Panthers (mechincal reliability), tigers (same thing), early B-29s, ect.

Think of it as Perfected, not as the flying mistake it was.

The Ju-88 was a medium bomber, the 177 a four-engine heavybomber.

Leave it as is for play balence, the Germans had enough taken from them.