the SL forum and the future Civ3-Creation forum

[Shadowstrike]

I doubt the possibility that Civ2 will be abandoned for Civ3 all of a sudden. wanted or not, Civ2 scenarios will continue to prosper well into Civ3's heydays. Somehow, I sense that the motive for doing this isn't because that SLeague is redundant in some way, but rather a limitation of some sort, perhaps in web space or the number of fora.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Fiera
And, come to think of it, why not a Civ-Community forum?

what do you think the "Community" part in the title of the "Apolyton/Community" forum is for?

[MarkG]

Originally posted by techumseh
There is a distinction between the SL site and the SL forum that you are not making. Why not?

because if the SL is not updated, i dont see a reason for the discussion of the SL forum not to be in the forums they should normally be(scenario discussions in civ2-creation, pbem threads in civ2-mp)

The SL site, despite not having been updated for some months is still an excellent resource. Apparently there are technical reasons it cannot be updated by some people. Why not, and what are you doing about it?

i dont recall the exact nature of the problem, i think in the end both our tech and the people involved gave up trying to solve it

Other sites, like Hodadian Awards and it's associated forum have been completely moribund for years, with no threat of closure. Why not?

cause noone brought up the issue of discussing civ3-creation issues in the hac forum

We still don't know the creative potential of Civ3. Apparently we do know it won't have multiplayer capability. Why does this question need to be settled now?

first of all, what does mp have to do with this? there is certainly lots of info on the modification of civ3, and it seems to be highly mod-friendly. so i guess it's better to clear up things now

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Shadowstrike
a limitation of some sort, perhaps in web space or the number of fora.

there is no such issue. the SL forum would probably be a closed(no new posts allowed) sub-forum of the civ2-general or something like that

[WarVoid]

Shadowstrike hit the nail right on the head, thanks ol buddy.

I have indeed been experiencing many problems with updating the site. Free time is not an issue, I have lots of free time and there is nothing I would rather do than dedicate it all to Civ2.

However, this is not the case. I lost my computer to a lightning storm some time back and resorted to using an 18K, 2GHDD, Pentium I, laptop. Needless to say, this piece of garbage won't let me run the FTP software and constantly tells me I have a bad connection. Usually I can run ICQ to alleviate the connection problem, BUT when I do this the computer locks up. It's a no win situation.

Buying a new computer is out of the question at the moment, financial problems which need'nt be discussed with the public have given me enough money each week to pay for gas and food and that's it. I've been scrounging all of my spare money in order to purchase a new computer JUST FOR THIS. And, hopefully, by Christmas i'll have a comp capable of running FTP successfully.

I'm also in a bit of a situation because I originally signed up with Stefan. He was going to do the articles, reviews, editing and text based area of SLeague whilst I handled all the programming/HTML aspects of it. That also fell through and my pleas to get some help with the site have gone unanswered or have just fallen through. I can expect Cam to help since he has the same FTP problems and has moved on with his life, it would'nt be right of me. I'm still looking for help, but i'm pretty positive that once I can fix the FTP situation on my end i'll have no problem handling the upkeep of the site.

As for the usefulness of SLeague, as I said in another thread similar to this, SLeague IS going to be expanded if it kills me. This means new sections for CtP1/2, Civ3 and, if MoO3 has scenario capabilities then i'll add a section for that as well.

The moderation of the forums is not lacking, I check here when people ask me to and at least four times a week to make sure nothing gotten out of hand. I merely don't visit any of the other forums anymore.

The problem of Civ3 and Civ2 mixing can be alleviated by one simple rule. If you post a thread about a scenario in the forum simply add a little "Civ3:" to the beginning and then the rest of the thread title. It's simple and effective in preventing any mixups. If someone forgets, it's not that hard to drop me a line and ask me to edit it. I don't mind at all.

I'm still very into Civ2 Scenario creation and playing and have looked forward to updating the site for some time if just to add some stuff i've always wanted to see on it. The site is still useful as possibly THE best scenario resource and I want that reputation to continue into the far future.

If anyone has a problem with what i'm doing, they're free to step in and take my place. I've stated my position and I hope that makes everyone happy, if not, then there's nothing else I can say.

[Shadowstrike]

Maybe someone else could be given FTP access, and WV can send all of the updates to them from his laptop to be put up? Its not a perfect fix, but it cuold work. And don't pick me to be the FTP guy, since I'm the one who cannot run any sort of IM software (or EU either, it seems)

[Case]

Wow, my home internet connection goes dead, and all of a sudden people start talking about shutting down my favorite webpage!

Leave the Scenario League Forum Open!
It's great for 'advanced' discussion of scenario making, and serves as a 'clubhouse' for scenario makers in the way that the creation forum never could.
Sure it's not focused on any paricular area of Civ, but IMHO that's this forums beatuty (anyway, this board is relativly spam free compared to most areas of Apolyton )

[techumseh]

Let me get this straight, Markos. If we don't update the SL site we can't keep the forum. And we can't update the site because of technical problems on your site/server which you "don't recall." Do I have it right?

[Chris 62]

Hmm, have to shoot my two cents here, Mark.

Why not simply add Civ-2 creation to the league title and kill the OTHER forum?

That's the one that is rarely used, not this one.

WV has said a number of times he will update when his tech permits, so why insist on this change now (and all the ill will it is generating) ?

Is it THAT important that it's hosted site is closed due to technical difficulties that it's forum must also close?

Seems rather rediculous to me, that you wish to kill an active and vibrant forum in favor of a dead and boring one.

Add to it, that someday soon, the SL will be updated properly, and will include civ-3 and other features, as WV indicated.

I missed the SL site so much I copied parts of it for CFC, so that the spirt of the league could live on, and there are dedicated people who still want to make this work.

So, WV, drop me a line, perhaps I can help some, in getting the league running again, at least to get the Macedonian off our back!

[MarkG]

Originally posted by techumseh
Let me get this straight, Markos. If we don't update the SL site we can't keep the forum. And we can't update the site because of technical problems on your site/server which you "don't recall." Do I have it right?

read warvoid's post above on the exact nature of the problem

[techumseh]

I interpret that response as meaning if we get a new moderator who can update the site, then the forum stays. Is that right? And what about your responsibility to make sure that the site is in fact accessible to someone with reasonable skills and equipment? If Cam, who maintains an internet site as part of his job, can't access the upload to your server, then who's to say the next person will be able to? Where's YOUR responsibility in all of this Markos?

[MarkG]

Originally posted by techumseh
I interpret that response as meaning if we get a new moderator who can update the site, then the forum stays. Is that right?

of course. all this time i have been starting my posts with "if the site is not updated"....

And what about your responsibility to make sure that the site is in fact accessible to someone with reasonable skills and equipment? If Cam, who maintains an internet site as part of his job, can't access the upload to your server, then who's to say the next person will be able to? Where's YOUR responsibility in all of this Markos?

yes, i'm guilty of not trying hard enough to have our tech figure out what the problem with Cam was. i'm terribly sorry for that. i hope the community accepts my apology.

[klesh]

Guys, lets chill out...

Let me ask this...


Why does the person who moderates the forum have responsibilities to maintain the website in the first place? As far as I see it (though it doesn't really matter how I see it) is that this forum obviously operates independently form the website. The site hasn't changed, but the forum gets 'updated' by us die hards every day! If Warvoid is into it, fine. But what about asking a few others to do it who don't have to be moderators of the forum at the same time. They seem like 2 seperate jobs to me.


Moderate a Forum<-------->Run a Website.


Why can't we have people to do either...not both. I can't even envision loosing something as dear to me as my beloved SLeagueForum. This place means so much more to us that come here than some ol' generic 'Civ Creation Forum'... we are the League of Scenario Makers!

Just trying to make sense of all this like everyone else...

-FMK.

[techumseh]

Great, glad to hear it! If you accept responsibility to fix the accessability problem, then WE need to find someone who will look after the site, and, as FMK says, another to moderate the forum. It could be both, but not necessarily. And we as a community really need to find more of a focus for the site. Any volunteers? How about you, Kull?

[Fiera]

Originally posted by MarkG
what do you think the "Community" part in the title of the "Apolyton/Community" forum is for?

It was an attempt to let Civers stay clear from CtPers and SMACers!

Jokes apart, I also think that issues regarding the civ series as a whole can be easily and well discussed in the Poly/Community forum.