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[VietMinh]

quote: Originally posted by Prometeus on 11-15-2000 01:10 PM * A Vietnam precolonialist history book ( written by Le Thanh Koi: is a good book? It was the only one. Tips, VietMinh ? ).

Well i don't know I have never heard of it but here are some questions; was it translated? If it is (wich I assume it is) what language is it in? Were was the author based? In Viet Nam? In the USA? In France? Give a brief resume of it and I'll tell my humble opinion of Viet Namese Precolonial history. If you haven't read it yet i'll be glad to give you a brief history course in Viet Nam before the French

[Stefu]

Winter war! WIN-ter WAR!

[Hendrik the Great]

Prometeus, how about you make a really innovative and good looking scenario about the Khmer Empire that once ruled Cambodia between the 13th and 15th century? There is no scenario about the theme yet and I am just waiting to see a good scenario about that region and time period.

How about it?

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[Mao]

Choice C! Choice C! ...and in English por favor?

[Prometeus]

To VietMinh

For what i seen about on this book, Le Tranh Khoi was teacher at Sorbonne, in Paris. This book begins with Vietnam prehistory, continues with first vietnamese kingdoms ( the Hung Vuong, Au Lac and Bac Viet tribes, the Nam Viet and his king Trieu Da ), the "Giao-chi" chinese rulers and Champa kingdom, to reach the classical vietnamese dinasties before 1858.
It was a lot interesting to read, because of the author payed much attention to basic vietnamese administration' structure, the village; as a matter of fact, is the history of Vietnam from a "farmer" point of view.

To Stefu

The Battle on the Ice is currently on working... as a secondary front of "Skumand".

To Hendrik

I don't know... currently I've put too much meat on fire, I think. But if you want to realize it, I'll be glad to help you. BTW also a Champa' scenario was never realized...

To Mao

It's just matter of translate it - and to change a few graphics ( I'll use a lot of "A-she-na" scenario units to depict barbarians and Chinese ).

[Andz83]

HEY, there's still my Afghanistan Scenario to do. anyone willing? I'm going to bump the thread again

[VietMinh]

Looks pretty good, just a point to make, before the french came, we had rifles and cannons but the new dysnasty in power were agaisnt foreign stuff so they bruned most of it so that's why by the time the french arrived we were pretty backward.

About the Champa, we conquered and assilimate them, something akin to cultural genocide...

PS: Don't forget about Tran Hung Dao, the general who whip the Mongols in the period of Kublhai Khan.

[VietMinh]

Yeah poor, them they crusehd him in the open field the first battle so he decided to use guerilla tactics and destroyed the mongol's sorry army...

Anything you want to know specifically about Viet Nam before the French?

[Prometeus]

Yes, just a couple of things ( ahem, three )...

First: where can i find & download an administrative map of Vietnam? The author seems to use modern vietnamese districts to adlocate ancient ones, but i can't find them on italian maps.

Second: during the Ming war, in order to build artillery, Chinese army destroyed three of the four ancient Vietnam wonders placed in Dong-bo, the ancient Vietnamese capital city : the Pho-minh bronze grave, the Quy-dien bell, and the Bao-thien arrow, ... but Le Thanh Khoi never mentioned the fourth in this book. Any idea of what this wonder was ? It was placed in Dong-bo? Where can I find a reconstruction picture of them ?

Third: are Chinese Yueh kingdom and Bac Viet/"One Hundred Yueh" related? Do you think Dayak village's look is going to fit good for Southern China's Yueh villages ( after all, also Dayak had links with Dong-son culture, but maybe i'm wrong about it... )?
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[VietMinh]

1. Sorry there are none that i know of on the internet if you want english, you'd have to try www.explorevietnam.com or www.viettouch.com
My dad has one but I don't have a scanner what can't you find? I can mabye help you

2. Actually it was never clear what was the fourth one, many books proposes many differents things. I believe the most accurate one is the theory that there was no fourth one for some believe that it was maded up so that the hate for the chinese be greater therefor an incite for rebellion and war.

3. Yes they are related to an extend for before Viet Nam up even more north, we were pushed back south by the chinese but many remained so the city look would go pretty well.

[Prometeus]

Thanks, VietMinh !!!! Just what I was looking for... The Champa map was very good, and I'm glad I could at last see the famous Dong-son drums described in the book.

PS Why you talk of "akin of genocide" related to Champa? Get rid of piracy was a mainline in Sardinian history too, but we never felt guilty for sistematic Arabic pirates' executions... Mogehid al-Hamiri fully deserved what we did him.
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[VietMinh]

I never said I was guilty but I am saying that the Champa were fully assilimated by the Viet Namese, before the french came the Viet Namese were going to assilimate Cambodia and laos too, they rudely interrupted us . If you need anything else just ask, when will the scn be close to finish?

[Prometeus]

quote: Originally posted by VietMinh on 11-18-2000 11:15 AM PS: Don't forget about Tran Hung Dao, the general who whip the Mongols in the period of Kublhai Khan.

Only once? Three times... Poor Mongols...

[Prometeus]

What scenario are you meaning, VietMinh? The Chung-Kuo english version one? I think not before Christmas, VietMinh.
"A-she-na" scenario? I will be able to post it in a week or so... and "Skumand" is still far from release ( still need to collect materials ).

[VietMinh]

Yeah Prom, I was talking about the english Chung Kuo one.

Mind giving us some details, well i'm pretty curious what's it about?