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  • WIP: The Troubles

    A suggestion of Elok's in his historical notions thread convinced me to blow the dust off a Northern Ireland scenario I had abandoned in the belief that maybe there would be an audience out there for one more Irish scenario.

    First of all, the history of the North is a very sensitive subject ; since the start of 'The Troubles' at least 3,000 people, mostly civilians, have lost their lives. Sadly people are still dying for no good reason there to this day.

    I decided early on that a scenario about the senseless ***-for-tat revenge between the various paramilitary groups would not be appropriate, and wouldn't be much fun anyway. So I tried to consider other angles from which to create a scenario based around the troubles, and eventually wandered into 'what if' territory.

    Relations between the British and Irish governments were at an all time low in the early '70's, following Britain's ill-timed military intervention in the North. They went in to try and stop the fighting, but through a series of bad (and sometimes callous) judgements against the catholic population, only ended up exacerbating the tensions e.g. Bloody Sunday, Internment. It also enraged the population of the Republic; in the aftermath of Bloody Sunday the British Embassy in Dublin was burnt to the ground by a mob intent on revenge. What if, instead of simply applying what little political pressure Ireland had on Britain, then Taoiseach Jack Lynch decided to respond by ordering Irish soldiers into the North to do the job that British soldiers should have been doing; protecting nationalists from loyalist mobs?

    Despite the fact that the IRA were outlawed in the Republic, there were no doubt pro-IRA members in the Lynch government. For example in May 1970, two Cabinet Ministers, Neil Blaney and Charles Haughey, were dismissed by the Taoiseach, Jack Lynch, for allegedly using Government money to import arms for the Irish Republican Army. In this scenario their influence, together with the public outcry against British action in the North, is enough to tip Lynch's hand into invading...

    Well, what do you think? Plausible?

    I have the map and terrain done. My first BIG thankyou is to Mercator for designing MapEdit - the reason I decided to make this scenario is due to this fantastic utility. I was way too lazy to bother to do out a map of Northern Ireland, so I used MapEdit on my map of Ireland to cut out the south of the country. Hours of work saved.

    I'd like to post some screenshots of what I've done so far, but I don't know how to capture in-game images from Civ2 so that they can be posted. If someone wiser than me knows how, please tell me.
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    Sounds like a good subject for a scenario. Mind you, do you really think that the Irish Army (which, let's be honest, isn't regarded as being one of the world's more numerous) would really stand a chance if the British decided to really fight back?

    If you want to capture an in-game image, press the Print Screen key on the keyboard when you've got Civ2 at the front, then open up MSPaint (or any other piece of graphics software) and paste the image into it. Bear in mind that 'Poly only allows images to be 800x600 or less, so you'll probably need to crop the image somewhat.
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    • #3
      It's a tricky subject, as you say, Our_Man, but given the right treatment could be an interesting one. I think Paul Hanson has a point when he suggests that the Irish Army wouldn't stand a chance against the full weight of the British military, so perhaps a scenario which reflected reality, mindless provos, 'loyalists' and all, would be more believable.

      If the 'Troubles' is too sensitive a subject, how about a treatment of the Easter Rising and subsequent independence and civil war?

      BTW, when you do the screen-dump, remeber to cntrl-x before-hand to normalise the civ screen.
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      • #4
        That's the point Paul.

        The Irish Army does not have a hope in hell of defeating the British Army in real-life, so this scenario will be very hard to win. For a start, the Irish army is almost completely defence orientated; it has very little offensive capability. The British will have superiority of training, weapons and numbers. About the only thing going for the Republic's forces are the fact that they will enjoy wide-scale support from the civilian population in the North. Against my better judgement, I'm also considering giving them IRA units that pop up around the North. They'd basically function as scouts (Ign. ZOC, See 2, All as Road) and demolition squads (destroyed after attacking, v. high firepower) for the Irish Army.
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        • #5
          OK, here come's a screenshot (I hope).

          A general overview of the map.
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          • #6
            Followed by a detailed look at Counties Antrim and Down...
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            • #7
              Looks good, but I'd suggest to drop Nemo's city graphics. Apart from the fact that they're old, to me they're not even realistic. I think we should introduce a new standart modern city graphic.
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              • #8
                Stefan, if someone could provide me with good new city graphics and matching suburb/railroad squares, I'd be happy to change.

                I'd do it myself except that I'm awful at drawing (don't expect to see any original artwork in this scenario).
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                • #9
                  smiley seems to have the right idea when it comes to city graphics. Other than that use curtsibling's Soviet Steel cities which are in widespread proliferation.

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                  • #10
                    actually I don't think the city-style from soviet steele fit a scenario on a map with a scale like this. it didn't work for my rework of Gulf War
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                    • #11
                      I use a 1 floor = 2 pixels scale in UrbCiv, the tiles used in that screenshot look more like 1=3 or 1=4.

                      The tiles are drawn with an American or Asian city in mind though. I don't know what Irish cities look like.
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                      • #12
                        Well, it's good to know I inspired somebody for once...
                        This is looking rather impressive so far; I agree that you should get Smiley to lend you UrbCiv though. I've never been to Ireland either but those buildings look a bit Victorian for the 1970s.
                        BTW, maybe you mentioned this and I'm too dense to pick up on it, but what does WIP stand for? Warlike Irish Pride?
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                        • #13
                          Work In Progress, I would guess.
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                          • #14
                            Oh. Duh...
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                            • #15
                              our_man: while I would hate to dissuade anyone, I would suggest peeking at http://sleague.apolyton.net/Reviews/ds_nire.shtml and taking note of those criticisms. It seemed to me that if paramilitary activity became too out of control then London would simply strengthen the armies presence, given the very strong political will on this issue. Perhaps another, non-military angle should be investigated?

                              However, it is also evident that the a scenario of the troubles is missing a magnum opus, as we've only had simple scenarios trying to depict a complex situation of poltical, economic, and military importance. If you want to move away from civ's classic 4X structure you could somehow depict the importance of external resources on an insurgent conflict, in particular the funding (from America, Libya, and heroin) and weapons going to PIRA.
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