Victoria - Empire under the Sun good or not?

[Nikolai]

Vickie is the best Paradox game as for state out of the box, but it isn't as good a game as EU2 IMHO. But you really sohlud try Vickie with the latest patch; it is many times better!

[Main_Brain]

I dunno, I was pretty disappointed at Victoria out of the box.
In Fact the broken Events (Unification of Germany anyone? )
combined with the Horrible Worldmarket & overpowered countries made me so tired of it that I gifted it to a Friend.
On the Other Hand he says at 1.03 & with the Mod VIP (?) he finds it nice.

[Kropotkin]

I've played victoria, and the problem I had with it is about the same as I've had with most of the previous ones, particulary HoI; It's not much fun for us that wants to run small empires. Eu and also CK, that I've just started to try out as Prince of Pskov (or as Roman, the third Prince of Pskov, Karelia and Estonia at the moment, thank you very much!) is much more flexible in that regard.

And yes, you can't really expect a paradox game to be playable out of the box. Their tradition of medicore and unstable first versions is infamous by now.

[Estilpón]

Victoria... (if you like micromanagement)
...a really great game

about patchs...

it is many times better!

[Damion]

victoria- very long learning curve but very rewarding. I love the game...love it love it love it

damn I have too many games in my life

civ, col, civ2, the other civ by activision, smac, civ3, civ3tw, c3c, eu, eu2, vicky, smacx, ughhh

[mr Rura]

sorry for not ansering, I just didn't have any opportunity to write...

Nikolai - I had patched versions of the games before [patched re-editions after 1 or 2 years after appearance]

and what about quality of Crusader Kings?

[Nikolai]

All the people I've seen commenting on the new patch, says that the last patch made it better than before.

Crusader Kings is IMHO a great game, but not as refined as EU2 and Vicky(naturally, it's not as old yet). A few days ago, Paradox opened a public testing of new patches(beta patches where people who wants to try new ideas, come with them and refine them and generally help to make the game better), so it might become better faster from now on. As I see it, it's absolutely worth the price, some people agrees with me, and some does not. It's only one way to find oujt what you will think of it really.