Political Correctness getting in the way of Historical Accuracy

[Palaiologos]

And lets not forget that what ultimatelly brought Hitler's downfall, and indirectly lost the war for the Reich, was Hitler's clash with the officer's corps.

A struggle that Hitler finnaly won, but with the cost of a lost war.

[Heresson]

Wermacht was fighting for the nazi, simply because there was no other Germany then. But that's not the point. Their attitude towards Slavs wasn't much different from the official one, and they acted pretty bad.
It's not about politics, it's about behaviour. The true is that Germans, no matter their political views, acted different towards the French f.e. than towards Poles, Gypsies and others

[Jon Shafer]

That's probably true for any country you could look at, and putting the Wehrmacht in the same category as the Nazis is going a bit far, IMO...

[CharlesBHoff]

There is than book I have called "THE GOOD OLD DAYS" the holocaust as seem by its perpetrators and bystanders. The SS have than standing order that it any SS man didnot want
to murder unarm people of certain ethic group their didnot have to than no official action will be taken against then and
they will have to do extras duty. There was alway one man in the SS units who was alway ill when the SS have to do they dirtry work he was the person in charge of reporting abuse of the SS on certain ethic group to the germany government and from the germany government onward to the International Red Cross.
In combat solider might accientable shoot dead than unarmed civialion , with the SS it was more the rule than the
ecption.

[Palaiologos]

The SS were not part of the Wehrmacht.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
The SS were not part of the Wehrmacht.

Exactly. It was an organization independant of the Wehrmacht, under the direct control of the Nazis. They were looked down upon by the rest of the Wehrmacht.

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by Trip
They were looked down upon by the rest of the Wehrmacht.

True, but one can not doubt their outstanding heroism.

[Dauphin]

I wouldn't call it heroism. Unless you think calling Nazi zealots heroes is a good idea.

[Heresson]

And anyway it is my belief that the Germans fought an honourable war untill operation Barbarossa.

What do You mean by that?

Wermacht wasn't an organisation that was evil from its basis, from definition. But its behaviour didn't have much to do with anything good

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by Heresson
What do You mean by that?

Wermacht wasn't an organisation that was evil from its basis, from definition. But its behaviour didn't have much to do with anything good

That having been said, would you hold the Polish, or French or British Armies any higher?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Palaiologos


True, but one can not doubt their outstanding heroism.

hopefully you realized what a mistake this statement was...

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
I wouldn't call it heroism. Unless you think calling Nazi zealots heroes is a good idea.

Nazi zealots?


Sava and big Crunch, while having absolutely nothing against you personally i hope you do understand the fault of your arguments.


I am really fed up with the post WW2 anti-nazi propaganda.

I have seen documentaries and read books where the Allied stand at Anzio is characterised as "heroic" and "brave", while the German defense of Normady as "fanatical".

Nazi, British or Russian these people were soldiers fighting for their own countries. In many cases they ignored their own lives and did their duty with honor.

And that makes them heroes.


and anyway the Wafen-SS were not involved in any atrocities.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Palaiologos
and anyway the Wafen-SS were not involved in any atrocities.

Uh huh... A Google search turned up this.

[CharlesBHoff]

The SS unit that ran the death camp where special unit that didnot socialize with other units at all. They stay together in their own liveing quater and when they went on leave their stay at their rest camp where they didnot socialize with other germany. There where case of non-jew who where put on death train to death camp by mistake who have to be kill to keep the secret of death camp secret as most germany would have being against the death camp.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Trip

That having been said, would you hold the Polish, or French or British Armies any higher?